The Ford Barn

Steve Plucker · 05-05-2013, 12:35 PM

I know the photo of Henry Ford stamping *A1* says October 20, (1927) on the card above him stamping the engine...

Does anyone know for sure IF that photo was taken on October 20, (1927) or was it taken at a much later date?

I think it was taken at a later date BUT was there another "date" on the original photo itself as other photos we have seen to substanuate the date of the photo?

More than likely not.

Pluck

msmaron · 05-05-2013, 12:39 PM

It was that date...I remember because we were so surprised that Henry had a Deli Tray brought in to celebrate!!! We were only alowed 1 piece of rye though!

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 05-05-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by msmaron

It was that date...I remember because we were so surprised that Henry had a Deli Tray brought in to celebrate!!! We were only alowed 1 piece of rye though!

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Joe K · 05-05-2013, 02:26 PM

Here is a pix of what thought the earliest number pad used on the Model A motors. This NOT the number pad in the Henry Ford pix.

And here is the infamous pix of No. 1 (maybe large -sorry.)

This and several others taken that same day were commented on by Marco. The engine is definitely early as can be seen by the "appointments." But not "that" early?

But Ford may have been casting engine blocks for as much as three months before this pix was taken. Given a room full of them, they might have grabbed the most recently produced (those put in the room last) to do a Model A prototype - which is what No. 1 really was

Joe K.

plind · 05-05-2013, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe K

Here is a pix of what thought the earliest number pad used on the Model A motors. This NOT the number pad in the Henry Ford pix.

And here is the infamous pix of No. 1 (maybe large -sorry.)

This and several others taken that same day were commented on by Marco. The engine is definitely early as can be seen by the "appointments." But not "that" early?

But Ford may have been casting engine blocks for as much as three months before this pix was taken. Given a room full of them, they might have grabbed the most recently produced (those put in the room last) to do a Model A prototype - which is what No. 1 really was

Joe K.

Is it Nr. A 189 on top...???

Joe K · 05-05-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by plind

Is it Nr. A 189 on top...???

I think so and said so to Steve when he pm'ed me.

There is maybe one other like this out there. Numbering in the 400s?

I think he partakes here too.

Joe K

plind · 05-05-2013, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

I know the photo of Henry Ford stamping *A1* says October 20, (1927) on the card above him stamping the engine...

Does anyone know for sure IF that photo was taken on October 20, (1927) or was it taken at a much later date?

I think it was taken at a later date BUT was there another "date" on the original photo itself as other photos we have seen to substanuate the date of the photo?

More than likely not.

Pluck

I did ask near the same, long time ago and in the link here is some intrested info..
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45501

Joe K · 05-05-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by plind

I did ask near the same, long time ago and in the link here is some intrested info..
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45501

This VERY important to this discussion. Steve Plucker tells me that Steve C. is no longer with us.

What a shame. I'm so glad he left us this much.

Joe K

1931 flamingo · 05-05-2013, 08:40 PM

Was he actually stamping the number or was this a staged photo op. Probably anybody that could tell us with 100% certainty is long gone.
Paul in CT

tbirdtbird · 05-05-2013, 10:24 PM

what is the rubber hose coming off the side of the motor...

Steve Plucker · 05-05-2013, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tbirdtbird

what is the rubber hose coming off the side of the motor...

Probably to test for water leaks.

Pluck

Joe K · 05-05-2013, 11:05 PM

Actually, Ford used the rig seen to "run in" the newly constructed motors. There were several setups in a row (one can almost be seen beyond Engine No. 1) Finished operable engines were direct connected to a four pole alternator which was used first as a motor to "limber up" the Ford engine, and then run for a while as a generator while the Ford engine became the prime mover.

By this method Ford was able to offset electrical power used by his factory and increase (slightly) the efficiency of production.

Later, using superfinishing techniques on both bearings and journals, Ford was able to shorten the time in the test stand to simply a performance test and running in of the engine as done formerly was done away with.

It would not surprise me that Ford found a way to utilize the waste heat of the engines for some process - although he may have simply had a remote radiator or cooling water source.

Some of the other pix I've mentioned show these test stands in some detail.

Joe K

05-05-2013, 12:35 PM	#1
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	*Photo of Henry stamping A1...* I know the photo of Henry Ford stamping A1 says October 20, (1927) on the card above him stamping the engine... Does anyone know for sure IF that photo was taken on October 20, (1927) or was it taken at a much later date? I think it was taken at a later date BUT was there another "date" on the original photo itself as other photos we have seen to substanuate the date of the photo? More than likely not. Pluck

05-05-2013, 12:39 PM	#2
msmaron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wauconda, IL Posts: 3,600	*Re: Photo of Henry stamping A1...* It was that date...I remember because we were so surprised that Henry had a Deli Tray brought in to celebrate!!! We were only alowed 1 piece of rye though! __________________ Mark Maron Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA MARC JSC Member MAFFI Trustee National Facebook Admin. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/ A7191-Sport Coupe 29 Roadster 29-Town Sedan 29-Original Special Coupe

05-05-2013, 02:26 PM	#4
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,188	*Re: Photo of Henry stamping A1...* Here is a pix of what thought the earliest number pad used on the Model A motors. This NOT the number pad in the Henry Ford pix. And here is the infamous pix of No. 1 (maybe large -sorry.) This and several others taken that same day were commented on by Marco. The engine is definitely early as can be seen by the "appointments." But not "that" early? But Ford may have been casting engine blocks for as much as three months before this pix was taken. Given a room full of them, they might have grabbed the most recently produced (those put in the room last) to do a Model A prototype - which is what No. 1 really was Joe K. __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

05-05-2013, 08:40 PM	#9
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,390	*Re: Photo of Henry stamping A1...* Was he actually stamping the number or was this a staged photo op. Probably anybody that could tell us with 100% certainty is long gone. Paul in CT

05-05-2013, 10:24 PM	#10
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	*Re: Photo of Henry stamping A1...* what is the rubber hose coming off the side of the motor... __________________ '31 180A

05-05-2013, 11:05 PM	#12
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,188	*Re: Photo of Henry stamping A1...* Actually, Ford used the rig seen to "run in" the newly constructed motors. There were several setups in a row (one can almost be seen beyond Engine No. 1) Finished operable engines were direct connected to a four pole alternator which was used first as a motor to "limber up" the Ford engine, and then run for a while as a generator while the Ford engine became the prime mover. By this method Ford was able to offset electrical power used by his factory and increase (slightly) the efficiency of production. Later, using superfinishing techniques on both bearings and journals, Ford was able to shorten the time in the test stand to simply a performance test and running in of the engine as done formerly was done away with. It would not surprise me that Ford found a way to utilize the waste heat of the engines for some process - although he may have simply had a remote radiator or cooling water source. Some of the other pix I've mentioned show these test stands in some detail. Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.