The Ford Barn

Ken hash · 09-16-2022, 08:59 PM

I have a new project that I want to return to original condition. The truck originally had column shifter. The pic shows what current transmission looks like. I’m hoping to find a picture or dimensions so I can rebuild this transmission frame or locate another one. Thanks for looking

corvette8n · 09-16-2022, 09:30 PM

Nice project, keep the pictures coming during your progress.

mercman from oz · 09-16-2022, 11:11 PM

Congratulations Ken on your new project. These are great old Trucks.
I wish you well.

mercman from oz · 09-16-2022, 11:14 PM

1948 Ford F-1 Light Duty Truck - from the Original Sales Brochure

mercman from oz · 09-16-2022, 11:18 PM

1948 Ford F-2 Light Duty Truck - from the Original Sales Brochure

bobH · 09-17-2022, 12:29 AM

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I wonder if Gary (GB) might be a source of info for your question. Maybe he'll chime in. And, I wonder if you two might be relatively close? (Ellensburg vs Orcas) (google says couple hundred miles)

1952henry · 09-17-2022, 08:17 AM

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...ss-member.html

Post #6. I have the transmission mount for an F1. In a month or so, when I have a chance, I may have an F1 crossmember. Your current 'member looks like a hacked up one from an F2/3, though it is missing the recess for the rubber mount.

Be curious to know if that was welded in or bolted/riveted. Originally transmission crossmembers were riveted. If it has rivets, cut a slot in rivet head with a cutoff wheel, knock head off, then with a pointy persuader in an air hammer, send it across your shop.

Ken hash · 09-17-2022, 08:55 AM

Thanks for your interest and comments. To answer a couple of questions, orcas is a beautiful place but there is a mountain range between there and Ellensburg.
The cross member is riveted on and someone modified it with 1/4 flat bar. I’ll share pics as progress goes on. Thanks again.

1952henry · 09-17-2022, 08:57 AM

I see.that now. Most likely an F1 that was hacked to fit the 4 speed Spur gear with the F2/3 rear mount.

FortyNiner · 09-17-2022, 09:54 AM

The column shift wasn't introduced to the F1 models until midway through the 1950 model year. Typically, the light duty 3 speed floor shift transmission was found in most '48s although the 4 speed non-syncro and the 3 speed heavy duty were available.

Your transmission cross member and yoke are owner mods. This is my only ready pic of the mount. The yoke cradle straddles the cross member on the F1s.

GaryU. · 09-17-2022, 10:27 AM

Was the drive shaft different between the 3 speed top loader and the 4 speed? Have a 3 speed open drive shaft transmission in my garage that I got a few weeks ago and the drive shaft as well. The connection is different between the 2 as I look at it. I don't have the slip yoke for mine but had one last year to compare this set-up to.

GB SISSON · 09-17-2022, 10:41 AM

Well, that's quite the hacked out crossmember. Big ol' tranny too! Clark 5 speed?Doesn't look like a regular Borg Warner T-9 crash box, and those should bolt right into a half ton with no mods, just a different bolt on mount. I have a column shift 3 speed here that you can have. It looks pretty rough on the outside, but who knows? My wife's sister lives in Ellensburg and she's heading over the pass in a couple of weeks to visit her. I could toss the tranny in the back of her subaru. She is easy with that type of stuff. Does the truck run? V8 or six? I can get a pic or two of the trans and post it up. Mac VanPelt here on the forum is a wealth of knowledge and parts for a rebuild. Truck looks to be in excellent condition and I'm gonna speculate it's from the Right side of Oregon.

1952henry · 09-17-2022, 11:30 AM

That is a T9. The rear mount is from a 48-50/early 51 F2/3 with no park brake drum, no provision for brake band(park brake was in rear drums). I have one that is going on my T9 in the Marmon Herrington, since the brake drum is on the transfer case, and the original is cracked.

I would like to see the cooter-bobbery involved in putting a Clark behind an 8RT hogshead...

mercman from oz · 09-18-2022, 04:54 AM

Saw this Fully Imported 1948-1950 Ford F-1 at a local Car Show today.

38 coupe · 09-18-2022, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1952henry

I would like to see the cooter-bobbery involved in putting a Clark behind an 8RT hogshead...

Apologies to the original poster for going off topic, but I can answer to this question. Ford installed medium duty 5 speed truck transmissions (New Process units I think) behind flathead V8s and 6s in 1953 F-600s as an option. Using the whole setup from the 1953 two ton truck would get the transmission onto the engine, but the motor mounts and clutch linkage is completely different from 1952 and older Fords.
Page from the 1953 Ford truck full-line brochure showing the option: http://oldcarbrochures.org/United%20...Line-50-51.jpg

Ok, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...

1952henry · 09-18-2022, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 38 coupe

Apologies to the original poster for going off topic, but I can answer to this question. Ford installed medium duty 5 speed truck transmissions (New Process units I think) behind flathead V8s and 6s in 1953 F-600s as an option. Using the whole setup from the 1953 two ton truck would get the transmission onto the engine, but the motor mounts and clutch linkage is completely different from 1952 and older Fords.
Page from the 1953 Ford truck full-line brochure showing the option: http://oldcarbrochures.org/United%20...Line-50-51.jpg

Ok, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...

That would still leave the puzzle of fitting a T9 rear mount to a Clark, as the aforementioned 53 bell had feet for.mounting to the crossmember. WAG, 5 speed would be longer, taller, and require a custom driveshaft to adapt to larger yoke, prolly mods to trans cover, and moving suspect crossmember back, as well.

All ot, as this is a T9.

Ken hash · 09-18-2022, 10:55 AM

Gary, thank you for the offer of the 3 speed transmission, but I have one ready to go. You are right about where the truck came from. Joseph ore. And the gal we bought it from was as nice as they come. Such a beautiful place. It was a five hour drive from Ellensburg, but worth the trip. Thanks again and I will post pictures of progress.

mercman from oz · 09-19-2022, 12:38 AM

Australian 1949 Ford Freighter.
While on the subject of these models of Ford Pickups, I thought that you would like to see this difference.
Notice the positioning of the Parking Lights on the Australian 1948-1950 Ford Trucks.

mercman from oz · 09-19-2022, 12:39 AM

Canadian 1948 Ford F-47 Pickup.
Notice that the Canadian 1948-1950 Ford Trucks had the Parking Lights mounted and the ends of the top Grille Bar, just like the USA models.

1952henry · 09-19-2022, 08:22 AM

I wonder, was the park lamp relocation done for law purposes?

09-16-2022, 09:30 PM	#2
corvette8n Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: 36 miles north of Albany NY Posts: 2,952	Re: 1948 ford truck Nice project, keep the pictures coming during your progress.

09-16-2022, 11:11 PM	#3
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,372	Re: 1948 ford truck Congratulations Ken on your new project. These are great old Trucks. I wish you well.

09-16-2022, 11:14 PM	#4
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,372	Re: 1948 ford truck 1948 Ford F-1 Light Duty Truck - from the Original Sales Brochure

09-16-2022, 11:18 PM	#5
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,372	Re: 1948 ford truck 1948 Ford F-2 Light Duty Truck - from the Original Sales Brochure

09-17-2022, 08:17 AM	#7
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,621	Re: 1948 ford truck https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...ss-member.html Post #6. I have the transmission mount for an F1. In a month or so, when I have a chance, I may have an F1 crossmember. Your current 'member looks like a hacked up one from an F2/3, though it is missing the recess for the rubber mount. Be curious to know if that was welded in or bolted/riveted. Originally transmission crossmembers were riveted. If it has rivets, cut a slot in rivet head with a cutoff wheel, knock head off, then with a pointy persuader in an air hammer, send it across your shop. __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs. Last edited by 1952henry; 09-17-2022 at 08:32 AM.

09-17-2022, 12:29 AM	#6
bobH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: so cal, placerville, vegas Posts: 1,394	Re: 1948 ford truck Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I wonder if Gary (GB) might be a source of info for your question. Maybe he'll chime in. And, I wonder if you two might be relatively close? (Ellensburg vs Orcas) (google says couple hundred miles)

09-17-2022, 08:55 AM	#8
Ken hash Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Ellensburg wa Posts: 58	Re: 1948 ford truck Thanks for your interest and comments. To answer a couple of questions, orcas is a beautiful place but there is a mountain range between there and Ellensburg. The cross member is riveted on and someone modified it with 1/4 flat bar. I’ll share pics as progress goes on. Thanks again.

09-17-2022, 08:57 AM	#9
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,621	Re: 1948 ford truck I see.that now. Most likely an F1 that was hacked to fit the 4 speed Spur gear with the F2/3 rear mount. __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs.

09-17-2022, 10:27 AM	#11
GaryU. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Beaver Dam, Wisconsin Posts: 821	Re: 1948 ford truck Was the drive shaft different between the 3 speed top loader and the 4 speed? Have a 3 speed open drive shaft transmission in my garage that I got a few weeks ago and the drive shaft as well. The connection is different between the 2 as I look at it. I don't have the slip yoke for mine but had one last year to compare this set-up to.

09-17-2022, 10:41 AM	#12
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 4,939	Re: 1948 ford truck Well, that's quite the hacked out crossmember. Big ol' tranny too! Clark 5 speed?Doesn't look like a regular Borg Warner T-9 crash box, and those should bolt right into a half ton with no mods, just a different bolt on mount. I have a column shift 3 speed here that you can have. It looks pretty rough on the outside, but who knows? My wife's sister lives in Ellensburg and she's heading over the pass in a couple of weeks to visit her. I could toss the tranny in the back of her subaru. She is easy with that type of stuff. Does the truck run? V8 or six? I can get a pic or two of the trans and post it up. Mac VanPelt here on the forum is a wealth of knowledge and parts for a rebuild. Truck looks to be in excellent condition and I'm gonna speculate it's from the Right side of Oregon. __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1947 Tonner Pickup (red) mostly stock with exception of a cummins 6at turbo diesel, 1946 Tonner Pickup (green) with 226 cu in 6 cyl flathead, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, completely encased in 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. Ok, cornbinder rear fenders..... 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

09-17-2022, 11:30 AM	#13
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,621	Re: 1948 ford truck That is a T9. The rear mount is from a 48-50/early 51 F2/3 with no park brake drum, no provision for brake band(park brake was in rear drums). I have one that is going on my T9 in the Marmon Herrington, since the brake drum is on the transfer case, and the original is cracked. I would like to see the cooter-bobbery involved in putting a Clark behind an 8RT hogshead... __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs. Last edited by 1952henry; 09-17-2022 at 12:52 PM.

09-18-2022, 04:54 AM	#14
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,372	Re: 1948 ford truck Saw this Fully Imported 1948-1950 Ford F-1 at a local Car Show today.

09-18-2022, 10:55 AM	#17
Ken hash Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Ellensburg wa Posts: 58	Re: 1948 ford truck Gary, thank you for the offer of the 3 speed transmission, but I have one ready to go. You are right about where the truck came from. Joseph ore. And the gal we bought it from was as nice as they come. Such a beautiful place. It was a five hour drive from Ellensburg, but worth the trip. Thanks again and I will post pictures of progress.

09-19-2022, 12:38 AM	#18
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,372	Re: 1948 ford truck Australian 1949 Ford Freighter. While on the subject of these models of Ford Pickups, I thought that you would like to see this difference. Notice the positioning of the Parking Lights on the Australian 1948-1950 Ford Trucks.

09-19-2022, 12:39 AM	#19
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,372	Re: 1948 ford truck Canadian 1948 Ford F-47 Pickup. Notice that the Canadian 1948-1950 Ford Trucks had the Parking Lights mounted and the ends of the top Grille Bar, just like the USA models.

09-19-2022, 08:22 AM	#20
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,621	Re: 1948 ford truck I wonder, was the park lamp relocation done for law purposes? __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs.