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07-04-2012, 10:40 AM | #1 |
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Body to frame welting...
Does anyone know the original part number for the Body to Frame Welting?
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07-04-2012, 11:27 AM | #2 |
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16541 16542 16543 16540-A is for 28-29 front fenders. 16540-B is longer as it extends to the front tip of the fender @ the apron. 16541 was introduced with the new running board aprons in mid '28. I think that answers all the questions that would have arose when looking them up.
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07-04-2012, 11:56 AM | #3 |
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Re: Body to frame welting...
Marco, do you have details of these pieces? Also, what is the thickness?
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07-04-2012, 12:39 PM | #4 |
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Thanks Steve,...I was a-little-lost....
Wasn't there 2 of them on each side, that overlapped, maybe on the 28's? |
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I don't recall my source (maybe Doc K), I show the frame webbing to be "1-3/4" wide and quite thin (3/64” to 1/16”thick)" and "extended from front edge of fender to the rear end of the running board shield".
Photo shows a sample of my original welting found under my Jan 28 side splash apron = 2” wide x 1/16” thick |
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I thought you had originals. Although I posted that info years ago I can't recall specifically and it appears all my samples are still at the old house. The one thing I can say is that both the front fender to frame anti-squeak and running board apron to frame anti-squeak are the same thickness as the original floor board anti-squeak. I would bet you have samples of that.
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remeasured with better calipers .. this is the 'smushed' part (i.e., under apron/fender .... the unsmushed is thicker/covered with mud/oil
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07-05-2012, 12:06 PM | #8 |
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Thanks Marco. I do have a set of 16540-A front fender webbing pieces. They are definately 1-3/4" wide and extend from the front of the frame rail to 3" beyond the front body mount bolt. I don't have the 16540-B pieces though and am wondering what they are like for the early-style running board shields since the shields don't lay on the frame rail all the way back to the rear fender.
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07-06-2012, 12:41 PM | #9 |
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Gary,
As I said in my post, there was no rear section until the aprons were changed in mid '28. My best guess is that when they transitioned to the later configuration they shortened the length of A-16540. And of course the "A" suffix wasn't used until the "B" version was introduced for the 1930 models. The one thing that still confuses me is just why they chose to segment the anti-squeak at all. I've not yet found the logic in it.
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Please,....I'm not understanding which parts(welt/webbing/anti-squeak) were placed
on the cars, from start of production too when they used one piece from the front frame horn to just past the end of the shield. I just can't "see it", and weren't there two at one time? Thanks, Dudley |
07-06-2012, 03:12 PM | #11 |
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I've never thought about it. If one piece of the webbing was tacked (stuck) to the fender and the other to the apron...?? the lengths would be easily handled, they would stay where they belonged...hmmm..
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It's important to note for those unfamiliar that there was also a small piece on each bracket that would otherwise make contact with the bottom of the fender and/or apron. Quote:
All years the front fender, running board, and running board shield were all assembled together on a padded bench. As the chassis approached the station on the assembly line where the fender and running board assembly was to be installed, the webbing was laid down on the frame rail.
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I get it now......
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As a matter of curiosity, I wonder if the fender bracket was pre installed to the fender and then bolted to the frame as part of this completed assembly. I, for one, really enjoy hearing of the nuances of the assembly process!! Last edited by Charles Reese; 07-06-2012 at 09:37 PM. |
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07-07-2012, 08:10 AM | #15 |
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I have the assembly procedure as documented by 'American machinist magazine' on my site. check around step 49 and the photos.
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Charles, the fender brace was installed on the frame pryer. Look at 1997 JS page 2-11... |
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Researching this detail for my current restoration, and an article for the 180A news letter, I have a curious observation...is the fellow in the picture from Marco's website, applying anti squeak welting Part A16540 to the frame, which may still have tacky paint on it? I have shards of both A16540 and !16541 as well as pictures after I raised the body and will get those on line Sunday night after I get back to the shop...it is too durned hot here in central VA to go out there now.
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I believe that photo is much earlier in the process. Here's one from after Marco's photo..still no sign of welting....
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07-07-2012, 10:41 PM | #21 |
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That's an interesting photo that Jim posted above - appears to be a very early chassis - even looks to have the straight side rails on the frame?
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07-07-2012, 11:32 PM | #22 |
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Good observation! Yes, the photo is essentially pre-production. Things were changing very rapidly "on the fly' at that time.
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Well, tomorrow night, I will have more photos and then we can convene the jury, maybe.... |
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I have not studied this at all, but would it be possible that the 'frame' welting was actually pre-attached to the fender / running board prior to installation??
Just a thought!
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Why go to all that trouble when you have gravity on your side and simply setting it down on the frame is simple. They weren't trying to slide the shields under the body as is commonly done during a restoration. They were lowering the entire fender and shield assembly straight down from above. If they were going to "stick" the webbing to anything it would have been the frame where alignment is obvious.
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The only difference I can see from A-16540-A and A-16540-B is when Ford specified that the the "A" be the strip with "round" holes and the "B" was the "strip" with "elongated" holes. This change was implimented on October 15, 1929 according to the Part Releases. Pluck |
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I am the second owner of a 28 AR convertible that I bought from the Ford mechanic that bought it new ,# 8149 .I can take a look at it and see what it has for webbing .It still has it's original spare tire ' seats ,top .and will never be restored
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Does the welting on the 1932 Ford extend front the front fender through the fire wall to the rear of the gas tank in one continuous length?
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You'll need to ask on the Early V8 forum.
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