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bugsiegel · 06-06-2012, 05:02 AM

My F1 (49) will crank with out the key in but will not spark unless the key is in.
This is dangerous because I'm afraid the kids will hit the starter button and if it's in gear then we have a dangerous situation. I don't park in gear because of this but with the bench seat the kids are all over the place and can easily knock the sifter into a gear.
Is this the way it was factory wired?
I'm sure I can wire a secondary disconnect for the starter button but there must be a way to move a wire around on the back of the key terminal so the starter button has no juice unless the key is in and turned on.

Thanks Much.

Mart · 06-06-2012, 05:28 AM

You could wire in a relay that pulls in when the ignition is on, and completes the circuit to the starter button. The starter button earths a wire coming from the solenoid. You would break into this wire with the relay.

Or as an alternative you could fit a battery disconnect and knock it off when you know the kids are coming.

Or just tell them not to touch nuthin.

Mart.

fomocoloco · 06-06-2012, 06:11 AM

This may be one reason it is against the law to leave kids alone in a parked car. If someone gets hurt, who do you think will be blamed? It's never a good idea to let kids play in or around cars.

Vic Piano · 06-06-2012, 06:40 AM

To answer part of your question; yes, that is the way Ford wired it from the factory and it has its benefits when you are working on the engine. The suggestion of a battery disconnect is a simple and easy solution.

bugsiegel · 06-06-2012, 07:11 AM

Vic,
battery disconnect in the cab or something that is under the hood? This is a daily driver.
Can't I just hook up a simple toggle switch someplace under the dash inline with and to disrupt the starter button?

don-wi · 06-06-2012, 07:23 AM

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Mart · 06-06-2012, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugsiegel

Vic,
battery disconnect in the cab or something that is under the hood? This is a daily driver.
Can't I just hook up a simple toggle switch someplace under the dash inline with and to disrupt the starter button?

Yes you can.

Just interrupt the wire that goes to the starter button with a switch. The switch has to be on for it to crank. Put it out of sight so you can just feel for it under the edge of the dash.

Mart.

41ford1 · 06-06-2012, 07:26 AM

A toggle switch will work fine. The relay is a very good idea but the switch is a lot easier to wire.

Vic Piano · 06-06-2012, 07:34 AM

You can hook up a toggle switch as you suggest however, the battery disconnect has other advantages as well, (when you shut off the power you can't inadvertently leave the ignition or the headlights on...) You can install a simple disconnect at the battery (I don't recommend those) or install a much better one under the hood or inside the cab. Our '53 F-100 Panel truck had a battery disconnect switch mounted under the floorboard (near the battery box) with the switch knob between the driver & passenger seats.

oldford2 · 06-06-2012, 09:48 AM

Bob Shewman, sells a heavy duty shutoff (for 6 volt systems) that mounts on the battery post. That's what I have and then the whole system is shutdown. Those cheap import green ones are junk and can't handle 6 volt systems properly.
[email protected]

John

Bruce Lancaster · 06-06-2012, 10:47 AM

Get a NAPA pushbutton STB 10, 1952 truck. Power the switch from accessory post on dash switch, use old wire to go to new solenoid. Swap your solenoid for 6V ST 58, a grounded base 6V Ford one that works from swithc on hot side. Now ignition switch must be on for the thing to crank.
Or...cheaper...discard the starter and use the provision for a handcrank.

bugsiegel · 06-06-2012, 11:01 AM

I'm going to use the little toggle switch that is used to power the dash lights. I will have those on all the time and use that toggle to interrupt the push button starter switch.
My kids are not feeling around for switches but they do go for the horn and before it happens they might hit the starter button.

Don-wi
I'm in and out of the truck 10 times a day. I can't just roll up the windows, lock the drivers door, slide over to exit the passenger door close that and lock it each time I get out of the truck.
Thanks for all the help guys

06-06-2012, 05:02 AM	#1
bugsiegel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 248	ignition button question F1 My F1 (49) will crank with out the key in but will not spark unless the key is in. This is dangerous because I'm afraid the kids will hit the starter button and if it's in gear then we have a dangerous situation. I don't park in gear because of this but with the bench seat the kids are all over the place and can easily knock the sifter into a gear. Is this the way it was factory wired? I'm sure I can wire a secondary disconnect for the starter button but there must be a way to move a wire around on the back of the key terminal so the starter button has no juice unless the key is in and turned on. Thanks Much. __________________ Mechanically Inclined but not Auto Familiar

06-06-2012, 05:28 AM	#2
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,766	Re: ignition button question F1 You could wire in a relay that pulls in when the ignition is on, and completes the circuit to the starter button. The starter button earths a wire coming from the solenoid. You would break into this wire with the relay. Or as an alternative you could fit a battery disconnect and knock it off when you know the kids are coming. Or just tell them not to touch nuthin. Mart.

06-06-2012, 06:11 AM	#3
fomocoloco Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 150	Re: ignition button question F1 This may be one reason it is against the law to leave kids alone in a parked car. If someone gets hurt, who do you think will be blamed? It's never a good idea to let kids play in or around cars.

06-06-2012, 06:40 AM	#4
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: ignition button question F1 To answer part of your question; yes, that is the way Ford wired it from the factory and it has its benefits when you are working on the engine. The suggestion of a battery disconnect is a simple and easy solution. __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

06-06-2012, 07:11 AM	#5
bugsiegel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 248	Re: ignition button question F1 Vic, battery disconnect in the cab or something that is under the hood? This is a daily driver. Can't I just hook up a simple toggle switch someplace under the dash inline with and to disrupt the starter button? __________________ Mechanically Inclined but not Auto Familiar

06-06-2012, 07:23 AM	#6
don-wi Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 150	Re: ignition button question F1 Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) It might be better to get the door locks working

06-06-2012, 07:26 AM	#8
41ford1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ManchVegas, New Hampshah Posts: 1,589	Re: ignition button question F1 A toggle switch will work fine. The relay is a very good idea but the switch is a lot easier to wire.

06-06-2012, 07:34 AM	#9
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: ignition button question F1 You can hook up a toggle switch as you suggest however, the battery disconnect has other advantages as well, (when you shut off the power you can't inadvertently leave the ignition or the headlights on...) You can install a simple disconnect at the battery (I don't recommend those) or install a much better one under the hood or inside the cab. Our '53 F-100 Panel truck had a battery disconnect switch mounted under the floorboard (near the battery box) with the switch knob between the driver & passenger seats. __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

06-06-2012, 09:48 AM	#10
oldford2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: pittsfield, MA Posts: 2,086	Re: ignition button question F1 Bob Shewman, sells a heavy duty shutoff (for 6 volt systems) that mounts on the battery post. That's what I have and then the whole system is shutdown. Those cheap import green ones are junk and can't handle 6 volt systems properly. [email protected] John

06-06-2012, 10:47 AM	#11
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: ignition button question F1 Get a NAPA pushbutton STB 10, 1952 truck. Power the switch from accessory post on dash switch, use old wire to go to new solenoid. Swap your solenoid for 6V ST 58, a grounded base 6V Ford one that works from swithc on hot side. Now ignition switch must be on for the thing to crank. Or...cheaper...discard the starter and use the provision for a handcrank.

06-06-2012, 11:01 AM	#12
bugsiegel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 248	Re: ignition button question F1 I'm going to use the little toggle switch that is used to power the dash lights. I will have those on all the time and use that toggle to interrupt the push button starter switch. My kids are not feeling around for switches but they do go for the horn and before it happens they might hit the starter button. Don-wi I'm in and out of the truck 10 times a day. I can't just roll up the windows, lock the drivers door, slide over to exit the passenger door close that and lock it each time I get out of the truck. Thanks for all the help guys __________________ Mechanically Inclined but not Auto Familiar