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1937pickup · 06-19-2013, 08:57 PM

There is a Lincoln V-12 for sale on ebay-is this a fair price or an over inflated ebay price. These engines have always interested me. Seems like the seller is using a lot of salesman speak-don't know if you can get much speed equipment for these engines. What was the idea with going to a V-12, based on looking at the bore size they could not be much bigger than a v-8. Here is a link to the engine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LINCOLN-V12-...f59e4c&vxp=mtr

Henry/Kokomo · 06-19-2013, 09:02 PM

I believe - subject to correction - the idea was to have a smoother power plant for the higher ticket cars. Smoothness was a big selling point in the '30s & '40s. FWIW

woodypecker · 06-19-2013, 09:06 PM

Sorry for my answer but it might be worth a lot more and it might be worth a lot less. I am guessing a lot less and that is why I do not own it.

Ken/Alabama · 06-19-2013, 09:13 PM

I agree with Henry ,they were built for thier smoothness. Believe me, there is nothing inexpensive for this engine . I'm building two of them now. Speed equipment is absolutely through the roof. A pair of heads run around 3 grand for a pair and multiple carb intake is over 1 grand. Pistons run about 700 then the bearings are around 300 per set for the mains and rods. Then you got to figure machine work. As far as the bore size , it's much smaller than the V8. That block looks to be the later block which is 2 7/8 bore.

PhoenixFear · 06-19-2013, 09:46 PM

I've been interested in these engines as well. There's what looks to be a complete one near me for cheap but it scares me to try and tackle building it.

Vic Piano · 06-20-2013, 06:24 AM

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Ken is correct; the V-12 was built to provide smooth operation for the Zephyr.

The Zephyr was sold against the Packard 120 and Cadillac La Salle. Original "Speed Equipment" is almost impossible to find

and the new heads & intake are very expensive,

as are all the internals necessary for a rebuild. However, if you've ever driven a V-12 Zephyr, you grow to appreciate the smoothness of the engine and overall quality of the automobile.

51 MERC-CT · 06-20-2013, 09:50 AM

I thought it was because the 'Green Hornet' needed a car that made just the right sound.

Don't need to be 'souped up' because in the movie the 'Green Hornet' asks his valet, 'Kato', "How fast will she go?" Kato responds, "faster than 200"

deuce_roadster · 06-20-2013, 11:04 AM

My friends with v12s say around here 600-800 for a core engine is normal. Any good flathead machinist can handle the v12s. If you do get it, ditch the hydraulic lifters and put in adjustibles. Expect to spend lots on speed equipment as stated above.

Vic Piano · 06-20-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 51 MERC-CT

I thought it was because the 'Green Hornet' needed a car that made just the right sound.

Don't need to be 'souped up' because in the movie the 'Green Hornet' asks his valet, 'Kato', "How fast will she go?" Kato responds, "faster than 200"

I guess the custom stainless trim on the Green Hornet's Zephyr Coupe made it go a lot faster...

V12Bill · 06-20-2013, 04:03 PM

The last V 12 I rebuilt was at least 8 years ago and that cost me about $4500 for parts and machine work and I assembled the whole mess. I would not do away with the hydraulic lifters. If you go with solid lifters, you MUST regrind the camshaft for solids or else tear down the engine and replace the cam in about 5000 miles. Basically the engine is the same as a Ford V 8 with some improvements for smoother operation.

51 MERC-CT · 06-20-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by V12Bill

The last V 12 I rebuilt was at least 8 years ago and that cost me about $4500 for parts and machine work and I assembled the whole mess. I would not do away with the hydraulic lifters. If you go with solid lifters, you MUST regrind the camshaft for solids or else tear down the engine and replace the cam in about 5000 miles. Basically the engine is the same as a Ford V 8 with some improvements for smoother operation.

That's a new one on me, V12 with hydraulic lifters, didn't know that

Ken/Alabama · 06-20-2013, 09:11 PM

Yea V12s came with hydraulic lifters starting in 38. The real problem now is finding a set of 24 that will work like they are supposed to. If you do find them they are very expensive.

Bluebell · 06-20-2013, 09:19 PM

Question; are the v12's a stretched std V8, or are they a stretched V8 60?
Somebody earlier stated 2 7/8" bore. Is that a V8 60 bore size?

Ken/Alabama · 06-21-2013, 09:55 AM

It's really neither , the V12s from37 to about 40 were 2 3/4 bore then they went to 2 7/8 then in 42 it went to 2 15/16 and after the war through 48 they went back to 2 7/8 . The 42 block can be bored to use the 3 1/16 pistons from the V8.I just took a 2 7/8 block that is no good and my machinist bored it to 3.160 before it hit the water jacket . There is very little parts that will interchange between the V12 and V8 . The valve train and cam gear is about it. The V8 oil pump is the best way to go but the baffle in the pan has to be modified some.

Bluebell · 06-21-2013, 08:01 PM

Thanks Ken. I have never seen either (V8 60 or V12) in the flesh. I have no doubt there are a few around N.Z. but "In the day" our little country was tied to mother England by her apron strings and it was unusual for vehicles to come from anywhere else. In saying that, I saw a V12 motor for sale on a popular Kiwi website not that long ago.

06-19-2013, 08:57 PM	#1
1937pickup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 586	V-12 There is a Lincoln V-12 for sale on ebay-is this a fair price or an over inflated ebay price. These engines have always interested me. Seems like the seller is using a lot of salesman speak-don't know if you can get much speed equipment for these engines. What was the idea with going to a V-12, based on looking at the bore size they could not be much bigger than a v-8. Here is a link to the engine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LINCOLN-V12-...f59e4c&vxp=mtr Last edited by 1937pickup; 06-19-2013 at 08:59 PM. Reason: Add link.

06-19-2013, 09:02 PM	#2
Henry/Kokomo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kokomo, Indiana Posts: 1,731	Re: V-12 I believe - subject to correction - the idea was to have a smoother power plant for the higher ticket cars. Smoothness was a big selling point in the '30s & '40s. FWIW __________________ Henry

06-19-2013, 09:06 PM	#3
woodypecker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Clarkston, Michigan Posts: 239	Re: V-12 Sorry for my answer but it might be worth a lot more and it might be worth a lot less. I am guessing a lot less and that is why I do not own it.

06-19-2013, 09:13 PM	#4
Ken/Alabama Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,261	Re: V-12 I agree with Henry ,they were built for thier smoothness. Believe me, there is nothing inexpensive for this engine . I'm building two of them now. Speed equipment is absolutely through the roof. A pair of heads run around 3 grand for a pair and multiple carb intake is over 1 grand. Pistons run about 700 then the bearings are around 300 per set for the mains and rods. Then you got to figure machine work. As far as the bore size , it's much smaller than the V8. That block looks to be the later block which is 2 7/8 bore. Last edited by Ken/Alabama; 06-19-2013 at 09:23 PM.

06-19-2013, 09:46 PM	#5
PhoenixFear Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Utica, MI Posts: 361	Re: V-12 I've been interested in these engines as well. There's what looks to be a complete one near me for cheap but it scares me to try and tackle building it.

06-20-2013, 06:24 AM	#6
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: V-12 Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Ken is correct; the V-12 was built to provide smooth operation for the Zephyr. The Zephyr was sold against the Packard 120 and Cadillac La Salle. Original "Speed Equipment" is almost impossible to find and the new heads & intake are very expensive, as are all the internals necessary for a rebuild. However, if you've ever driven a V-12 Zephyr, you grow to appreciate the smoothness of the engine and overall quality of the automobile. __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

06-20-2013, 09:50 AM	#7
51 MERC-CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Hartford, Ct Posts: 5,898	Re: V-12 I thought it was because the 'Green Hornet' needed a car that made just the right sound. Don't need to be 'souped up' because in the movie the 'Green Hornet' asks his valet, 'Kato', "How fast will she go?" Kato responds, "faster than 200" __________________ DON'T RECALL DOING SOMETHING FOR MYSELF BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LIKES OR DISLIKES Last edited by 51 MERC-CT; 06-20-2013 at 10:10 AM.

06-20-2013, 11:04 AM	#8
deuce_roadster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Shelton, WA Posts: 3,800	Re: V-12 My friends with v12s say around here 600-800 for a core engine is normal. Any good flathead machinist can handle the v12s. If you do get it, ditch the hydraulic lifters and put in adjustibles. Expect to spend lots on speed equipment as stated above.

06-20-2013, 04:03 PM	#10
V12Bill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mt. Holly,NJ Posts: 1,822	Re: V-12 The last V 12 I rebuilt was at least 8 years ago and that cost me about $4500 for parts and machine work and I assembled the whole mess. I would not do away with the hydraulic lifters. If you go with solid lifters, you MUST regrind the camshaft for solids or else tear down the engine and replace the cam in about 5000 miles. Basically the engine is the same as a Ford V 8 with some improvements for smoother operation.

06-20-2013, 09:11 PM	#12
Ken/Alabama Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,261	Re: V-12 Yea V12s came with hydraulic lifters starting in 38. The real problem now is finding a set of 24 that will work like they are supposed to. If you do find them they are very expensive.

06-20-2013, 09:19 PM	#13
Bluebell Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 726	Re: V-12 Question; are the v12's a stretched std V8, or are they a stretched V8 60? Somebody earlier stated 2 7/8" bore. Is that a V8 60 bore size?

06-21-2013, 09:55 AM	#14
Ken/Alabama Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,261	Re: V-12 It's really neither , the V12s from37 to about 40 were 2 3/4 bore then they went to 2 7/8 then in 42 it went to 2 15/16 and after the war through 48 they went back to 2 7/8 . The 42 block can be bored to use the 3 1/16 pistons from the V8.I just took a 2 7/8 block that is no good and my machinist bored it to 3.160 before it hit the water jacket . There is very little parts that will interchange between the V12 and V8 . The valve train and cam gear is about it. The V8 oil pump is the best way to go but the baffle in the pan has to be modified some.

06-21-2013, 08:01 PM	#15
Bluebell Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 726	Re: V-12 Thanks Ken. I have never seen either (V8 60 or V12) in the flesh. I have no doubt there are a few around N.Z. but "In the day" our little country was tied to mother England by her apron strings and it was unusual for vehicles to come from anywhere else. In saying that, I saw a V12 motor for sale on a popular Kiwi website not that long ago.