Fake 'R' code Galaxie?

[SoCalCoupe]

Saw an 'R' code Galaxie on BringATrailer. The trim tag has been mounted with new rivets on the door and not the door frame. The VIN tab under the hood looks like it's been welded on upside down. Never seen one like that; I've always seen the numbers right-side-up when viewed from the bumper, not right-side-up when viewed from the front door between the cowl and the hood.


Seen a lot of suspicious VIN's lately on desirable vehicles. Maybe my standards are too high and there's just a lot of variability in manufacturing.



Thoughts?

[oldbugger]

When I see that kind of stuff I expect the worst case scenario.

[Ford Freak]

Originally Posted by oldbugger

When I see that kind of stuff I expect the worst case scenario.

Me too!!!!!!!!!

[KULTULZ]

It is more commonplace than known/believed -

https://wilsonauto.com/how-criminals...rs-and-trucks/

[SoCalCoupe]

I did look up some other '64 Galaxies and it seems that the location of the trim tag and orientation of the VIN tag changed to what what's shown in the pictures. This actually COULD actually be correct and authentic. I haven't accused anyone of anything but certainly when a single letter in a VIN code means up to a 100% price difference or tens of thousands of dollars, I'm always suspicious.


Frankly I'd rather have a car with an acknowledged engine swap to clone a more expensive option than pay really big bucks for one character in some flimsy pieces of metal.

[miker98038]

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I’ve got a friend who’s been into Corvettes and early Camaros for years. There’s a whole industry of guys out there providing parts to fake them, and another whole industry of guys who specialize in catching them. Makes me laugh when it’s an alternator or a starter with “matching numbers”

[BLACKNRED]

I had a 63 1/2 500XL Galaxie 352 Cruisomatic, the vin number stamped on the tab on the RHS cowl, had been xxxx out and replaced with the new number, the xxxx out number indicated a 390, this was done on the production line.
Car was an LA car, from memory Reseda CA

[Grumpy Rick]

Maybe 'Pico Rivera' CA.?

[1942deluxe]

Not far from us is a fellow that has a 1964 Galaxie convertible with a 427. His Dad ordered a new 64 Galaxie 427 convertible here and after a number of years it rusted out. He bought another Galaxie convertible and put the 427 in it. I think he still has the "hulk" of the original car. Haven't seen it but everyone tells me it's not repairable. Kind of a dilemma of what you do there. He is an honest guy but there's a possibility the next owner may not be.

[craig]

I had a '64 Z code (390) Galaxie, the tag was on the door and the body stamped VIN was like your picture.
Most likely the door tag in the photo had been removed when the door was repainted. It looks like the guy used the right rivets when he reinstalled the tag.
What was the asking price for the car?

[SoCalCoupe]

Originally Posted by craig

I had a '64 Z code (390) Galaxie, the tag was on the door and the body stamped VIN was like your picture.
Most likely the door tag in the photo had been removed when the door was repainted. It looks like the guy used the right rivets when he reinstalled the tag.
What was the asking price for the car?

It's a no-reserve auction on bringatrailer.com. Someone's going to buy it. Unless it's a real steal, I'll probably pass. I'd have just as much fun, if not more, with a 390-powered Galaxie for a few $10,000 less.

[Ford blue blood]

Is the vin stamped on the frame rail in front of the right side front body mount on 64s as it is on 57s?

[5851a]

Best to check with an R code Galaxie registry. Lot of different parts on a R code. Brake line routing and brakes, springs, no power assists, different rims, iirc they did not use the million dollar ride front suspension but used the 62 Ford set up like police and taxi. Another site mentioned once frame stamp was under upper A arm on their car. Buyer beware.

[craig]

From what I've read and seen, '62 was the last year for the VIN stamped into the frame

[KULTULZ]

I don't FACEBOOK -

See if this is still active - https://www.facebook.com/groups/493254927531075

[KULTULZ]

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[mercman from oz]

1963 1/2 Galaxie 500 XL 427 Hardtop

[SoCalCoupe]

Beautiful! I'll bet that could pass anything on the road except a gas station!


As a kid, about 5 years old, my neighbor had a Galaxie. I believe it was a 1962 black 2-door with red interior. Can't remember whether it was a convertible or a hardtop. Thought it was the coolest car ever, and still do.

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

1963 1/2 Galaxie 500 XL 427 Hardtop

[mercman from oz]

Interior - 1963 1/2 Galaxie 500 XL 427 Hardtop

[SoCalCoupe]

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

Interior - 1963 1/2 Galaxie 500 XL 427 Hardtop

To each their own opinion but mine is that this is the epitome of American cars.

[mercman from oz]

1963 Super Torque Ford - Sales Brochure

[bobss396]

Originally Posted by Ford blue blood

Is the vin stamped on the frame rail in front of the right side front body mount on 64s as it is on 57s?

Mine is in the same spot, gotta scrape some crud off it usually, but that is the acid test and it has to match the vin plate.

I saw the worst R code '64 Ford on eBay. A totally clapped out hulk, rotted to heck too. IIRC it went for $5k.

[Gene F]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoupe

I did look up some other '64 Galaxies and it seems that the location of the trim tag and orientation of the VIN tag changed to what what's shown in the pictures. This actually COULD actually be correct and authentic. I haven't accused anyone of anything but certainly when a single letter in a VIN code means up to a 100% price difference or tens of thousands of dollars, I'm always suspicious.


Frankly I'd rather have a car with an acknowledged engine swap to clone a more expensive option than pay really big bucks for one character in some flimsy pieces of metal.

For some reason it can be tough to get anyone to tell you (closely) where the numbers can be validated on the frame. In my state an out of state title or bill of sale requires a VIN inspection. If there is any reason to explore further, they send you to the State Highway Patrol, and they have a shop that can even determine if a fender has been replaced. You can wind up with your car confiscated, and out all your money.

I have a 57 Ford, and my tag is on the door too. The new rivits...that paint looks pretty good, so maybe it was simply removed for painting.

[KULTULZ]

If one has to actually know and willing to chase it down, I would start here -

https://www.fordfe.com/

EDIT -

The participants in the above MESSAGE BOARD know the FE front to back. There has to be someone there that can either answer the question or point you in the right direction.

There was a 427 GALAXIE REGISTRY but I cannot come across it now. Maybe FACEBOOK?

There is a lot of fraud going on and even some sneak by outfits like MECUM.

EDIT - (YES, ANOTHER) -

Discussion of 63 1/2 GALAXIE ID STAMPING(S) -

https://www.fordfe.com/63-5-galaxie-...ns-t99056.html

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

SOURCE - https://bangshift.com/bangshift1320/...tory-for-sale/

Case In Point -

This photo shows as a supposed 427 production release -

This Custom 2-door Sedan R-code is by far the rarest of the 1964 (factory produced) 427/4spd cars, w/less than 15 built. 1964 R-code Galaxies – hundreds built. 1964 Galaxie “Lightweight” – 100 built.

The BUBBLE HOOD was only used on the 427HR, not LR. The LOW RISER was released for street driven cars and the 427 HI-RISER for race. And there is no provision for FRONTAL AIR. Is it a true 427 car or is it a counterfeit?

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- 1960' FORD HP CARS -

INFO - https://www.motortrend.com/features/...dearborn-diet/


*****

- ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION - SHE'S MODIFIED -

* I am giving a very brief description here – “serious” buyers are encouraged to contact me directly for a full run down of this extremely rare car.

– 4 year complete restoration – period correct “street/strip” look
– new paint – org. Guardsman Blue
– new interior – org. Med. Blue
– correct date coded (org. to the car) 427 solid lifter motor – two 4 barrel carbs (Holley) – motor was removed & completely gone thru
– 4 spd Toploader re-built (Hurst shifter)
– all new front/rear suspension (factory) & adjustable gas (drag) shocks
– 4:11 rear end
– all new brakes
– Tear Drop hood (I have the org. factory hood)
– period correct 3″ exhaust – Crites headers & cut-outs - Where Are Factory EXH Manifolds?
– period correct bias-ply tires (the rears are Monarch “street” slicks from the 1970’s which are in perfect cond!)
– period correct dash mounted drag tach - (Has To Be ROTUNDA)

* She runs perfect – is always stored indoors – and of course turns heads everywhere she goes (nothing is more beautiful sounding than a solid lifter FE motor!)

* She is always the rarest car at every Car Show!

FIRST FIVE CHARACTERS of VIN NOT SHOWN.

[KULTULZ]

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...why ...?

The factory shifter rows gears in the top loader 4-speed and Rally-Pac gauges (as more commonly seen on Mustangs) are a very nice addition. Interestingly, that big wheel is now backed with electric power steering (R-codes weren't offered with factory assistance). Additional auxiliary gauges are a smart addition.

SOURCE - https://www.gatewayclassiccars.com/v...4-ford-galaxie

[KULTULZ]

... features racing graphics and a fiberglass high-rise hood with rear air intakes.

... uh ...

The hood bubble (necessary to cover HI-RISE CYL HEAD DESIGN) rear vents are meant to exhaust hot engine compartment heat. The air is delivered to the carbs via a frontal air intake system(s) (there were two styles).

The HX (large case COM - LINC) AT was a DUAL RANGE 3/SPD.

Supposedly (have to verify), only the 1964 FAIRLANE THUNDERBOLT got the HX. The 1964 FORD GALAXIE 500 LIGHTWEIGHT R-CODE got a mid-case MERC-O-MATIC .

CORRECTION - The DUAL RANGE MID-CASE SIZE was ID'd as MX.

SOURCE - https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...alaxie-500-54/

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by miker98038

Makes me laugh when it’s an alternator or a starter with “matching numbers”

Exactly what is MATCHING NUMBERS on a GM car?