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I bought my parts from A&L, but since I did not want to limit the market of the horns by putting a date on them , I opted to leave them blank so whoever purchases them can have a fitting date of their own put on. I will be careful as I had to have one armerature rewound. Rod
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Ok, judges chime in and tell us what's wrong with the repo Sparton tags if they're stamped with the correct date?
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03-14-2011, 07:31 PM | #25 |
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I have a good idea on the Sparton tags(I think), BUT I want to know if the horns, in some way, are regional. That would be damned interesting !!! Judges? Dudley |
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03-14-2011, 11:00 PM | #27 |
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Taking the Sparton tag hype to the extreme, I've observed several horns of other manufacture that had the lousy Sparton tags attached by amateur messtorers.
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03-15-2011, 05:20 PM | #28 |
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Since there was considerable discussion about the Sparton tags, I'm posting a photo of a new old stock Sparton tag. It comes from a new old stock Sparton horn in like new condition. I'm sorry I don't have a repro tag for a side by side comparison. But, the repro tag has much redder writing on it and has much more shine overall with its brand new plating. The repro is a fine tag to use, but yes, the judges downgrade for them as repro.
I simply got lucky on this one, as my Coupe is a March 1930, and my friend's Tudor is January 1930, so he could not use this tag. When he compared the original tag to a repro, he decided to use a Stewart Warner and be done with the tag issue once and for all. I got the leftover nos horn. I plan on using the original tag for show. Sweet! Dave Lopes |
03-15-2011, 05:53 PM | #29 |
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this is the original tag from our horn..
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03-16-2011, 11:11 PM | #30 |
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Hutchins Horns were made in the 1960's through the early 1970's and made or marketed out of St. Charles, Mo.(I think near St. Louis). They cost around $12 to $14 as new and were sold by many outfits such as Sears, Wards, Warshawskis, JC Whitney. Definitely an aftermarket Ahooga horn, heavy and work fairly well, but look horrible on a Model A. If a Model A owner has one on his car, he is labeled as a D.....b S......t. Not my favorite horn, I have picked up two Model A's with them installed, they were removed Warp Speed and placed for auction on the EBay place.
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03-16-2011, 11:15 PM | #31 |
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I have never run across one that good on the un-restored Spartons I have restored. I have restored probably 50 Spartons in the past few years, ALL had darkened labels with usually the date the only readible item. You were quite lucky to find a tag that nice on a Sparton Horn, was it from a NOS horn?
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I just compared my 1929 reproduction label with original label above, marked 1929, the 1928 and 1929 labels have the "other patent pending" in the far right side in small black print. I cannot tell the difference between my reproduction I bought from Brattons and the original. This also holds true also with the 1930 original label shown above, it is identical in all respects to my Brattons reproduction, color, print and everything else. The 1930-1931 labels have the patents listed in small black print on the far right(four patents). I do know A&L Parts Specialities will pre-stamp you labels. I plan on getting some of them in the future. I am positive you could slightly weather an A&L stamped Sparton label and no judge alive would know the difference. I have a copy of the judging standards, and I did not run across this picky issue in the standards, but mine are 1998 or so dated. Are judges getting this picky?? If they are, I recommend they retire or buy a Yugo to judge. Bennett |
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I find it interesting how many folks believe they should receive the same score for an nice looking "off the shelf" part as the guy next to him with the real deal in perfect condition, whether it be a NOS part or a painstakingly restored part. If the judge can't tell the difference due to inexperience OR the car owner has successfully doctored the new part to match the the real deal then the reproduction piece will indeed receive the same score. In my opinion that is the way it should be. Oftenthe car ownerdoesn't know the difference or simply can't see it but that doesn't entitle him to a free ride.
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If you have any of those NOS labels, I would certainly be interested. I did not know that labels were now part of the judging, but in Western Colorado, we drive our Model A's, since there are no clubs over here, only in Eastern Colorado. Is the Sparton label issue covered in the latest upgrades of the Judging Standards? If so, sound like I need that update, but then again if I cannot get NOS labels, what then?? Bennett Y. |
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Folks, if this Sparton Label issue is going on with judges, I recommend using Stewart/Warner Horns with excellent deep stamped markings and avoid the Sparton label issues, frankly I have done dozens of Spartons and NEVER have run across a decent looking un-restored label. I would surely love to have a bunch. |
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1. DO NOT offer to help them build the first ever 500 point car! 2. Advise them to show with a horn that requires no tag (Stewart Warner, etc.) so all commonly available original parts can be used. And PLEASE, use properly restored original nuts and bolts, and remember to put a THIN coat of black enamel on the diaphragm!
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I would get the stamped Reproduction labels from A&L install on the Sparton caps, and provide the original labels with the horns when you sell. I have seen the recent reproduction labels from Bratton's and they are quite nice, I sure the A&L ones are also, the older reproduction labels I have run across simply are not as nice as the most recent stuff. It sounds from the above discussions that taking Spartons to a Model A Judging show with anal type A judges will cost you points, since only god can restore those original labels to their new original glory. Bennett |
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