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jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 04:00 PM

So patric tell me what an ar is please

F.M. · 11-03-2017, 04:08 PM

The red steering you show is a Reproduction & can be bought today.. I have a 8/22/28 Special Coupe the has the hole on the left side with a factory plate over it for the Left Hand Brake Assy.. It also has a Red steering wheel... Get the books as stated and you will get all your answers, most of what you have..

Jim Mason · 11-03-2017, 04:10 PM

AR used to describe an very early or early 28 is a made up term. For a description of part numbering used by Ford see : http://www.abarnyard.com/workshop/partnum.htm . many of the parts used on the early vehicles had a AR suffix, but many of the parts used on later cars had br, cr dr etc suffixes. No one refers to later cars as br, cr yet AR has persisted

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 04:15 PM

Well im the third owner of the truck the person before me bought it off the original owner with the red wheel and the emergency brake on the left. So it wasnt added if thats what you think i have original pics of the truck before restored and it had both the way it is now.

Jim Mason · 11-03-2017, 04:28 PM

Look under the steering wheel near the hub. if it says drake, it's reproduction. if it doesn't it could be original, or different reproduction, or the Drake was removed. still a great truck

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 04:36 PM

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Just looked no ware on it has any numbers or writing on it

Tom Wesenberg · 11-03-2017, 04:50 PM

Do you have a picture of the differential from the rear of the truck?

Also a picture of the lower cowl welting.

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 05:21 PM

Tom for some reason its telling me my pictures are to large to uplaod now. But while im talking to you my powerhouse gets very hot to the touch and my armature windings is almost black is that normal or do i need to rebuild and if so how much to ship it to you?

Tom Wesenberg · 11-03-2017, 05:28 PM

Take the wires off the cutout, and see if it sparks when you touch the terminal box wire back on the cutout. If it does, then the cutout is stuck closed. Pictures of the brush area might also help. If you can't post the large pictures, then email them to me.

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 06:47 PM

Tom emailed you but wouldn't allow pictures? Also my rear end is worm type rear end

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 06:52 PM

Pic of rear

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 07:04 PM

More pics

Tom Wesenberg · 11-03-2017, 08:31 PM

The hood hook look like reproduction. The originals should be forged handle and hook. Your cowl looks like the second style with the welting on a lip of metal forward of the cowl, the same as my 9-27-28 Phaeton. The generator wire should be in a metal tube, until later in 29 when it changed to the fabric covering. AA trucks didn't get all the latest changes near as quickly as the A's did, so you have a mixture of many 28 and 29 parts. Hard to say what got replaced during the restoration.

Jim Mason · 11-03-2017, 08:41 PM

Here a couple pictures to help. an early front fender with the sweeping curve, and a laced radiator shell. I'll try to get pics of the Drake wheel and the cowl. you got a good deal no matter...

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 08:56 PM

So i talked with the 2nd owner and he said its definitely a 1928 and he put whatever parts he could find to restore it

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 09:04 PM

Couldnt see the back where its all blck ill have to take it apart and no ark on the wire.

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 09:05 PM

Tom its working just gets hot

Tom Wesenberg · 11-03-2017, 09:29 PM

Your 5 brush powerhouse looks good, but I'd remove the plastic tape and give it a coat or two of "LIQUID TAPE". This is like a rubber coating and dries fairly quickly. A second coat can be applied after a 5 minute wait. Thankfully no one has foolishly turned the commutator. How hot is hot? From working and engine and radiator heat, they will get pretty warm, but you should be able to lay your hand on it.

Use care around that Bakelite brush holder, as they are brittle and hard to find.
I've repaired cracks in them with JB Weld, but nice ones are better and very rare.

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 10:10 PM

I will brush with liquid tape. thanks didn't think of that. Not sure i just remember one time it was really hot half hour after the truck was off. I love the truck and will slowly change things back over to 28 parts. Im sure i will learn more as i go.

jsain10 · 11-03-2017, 10:10 PM

I would like to keep truck as original as possible

11-03-2017, 04:00 PM	#61
jsain10 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Columbus ohio Posts: 38	Re: New here with model ar questions So patric tell me what an ar is please

11-03-2017, 04:08 PM	#62
F.M. BANNED Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 385	Re: New here with model ar questions The red steering you show is a Reproduction & can be bought today.. I have a 8/22/28 Special Coupe the has the hole on the left side with a factory plate over it for the Left Hand Brake Assy.. It also has a Red steering wheel... Get the books as stated and you will get all your answers, most of what you have..

11-03-2017, 04:10 PM	#63
Jim Mason Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 948	Re: New here with model ar questions AR used to describe an very early or early 28 is a made up term. For a description of part numbering used by Ford see : http://www.abarnyard.com/workshop/partnum.htm . many of the parts used on the early vehicles had a AR suffix, but many of the parts used on later cars had br, cr dr etc suffixes. No one refers to later cars as br, cr yet AR has persisted __________________ www.jmodela.coffeecup.com Fwiw, jm.

11-03-2017, 04:15 PM	#64
jsain10 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Columbus ohio Posts: 38	Re: New here with model ar questions Well im the third owner of the truck the person before me bought it off the original owner with the red wheel and the emergency brake on the left. So it wasnt added if thats what you think i have original pics of the truck before restored and it had both the way it is now.

11-03-2017, 04:28 PM	#65
Jim Mason Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 948	Re: New here with model ar questions Look under the steering wheel near the hub. if it says drake, it's reproduction. if it doesn't it could be original, or different reproduction, or the Drake was removed. still a great truck __________________ www.jmodela.coffeecup.com Fwiw, jm.

11-03-2017, 04:36 PM	#66
jsain10 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Columbus ohio Posts: 38	Re: New here with model ar questions Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Just looked no ware on it has any numbers or writing on it

11-03-2017, 04:50 PM	#67
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: New here with model ar questions Do you have a picture of the differential from the rear of the truck? Also a picture of the lower cowl welting.

11-03-2017, 05:21 PM	#68
jsain10 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Columbus ohio Posts: 38	Re: New here with model ar questions Tom for some reason its telling me my pictures are to large to uplaod now. But while im talking to you my powerhouse gets very hot to the touch and my armature windings is almost black is that normal or do i need to rebuild and if so how much to ship it to you?

11-03-2017, 05:28 PM	#69
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: New here with model ar questions Take the wires off the cutout, and see if it sparks when you touch the terminal box wire back on the cutout. If it does, then the cutout is stuck closed. Pictures of the brush area might also help. If you can't post the large pictures, then email them to me.

11-03-2017, 06:47 PM	#70
jsain10 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Columbus ohio Posts: 38	Re: New here with model ar questions Tom emailed you but wouldn't allow pictures? Also my rear end is worm type rear end

11-03-2017, 08:31 PM	#73
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: New here with model ar questions The hood hook look like reproduction. The originals should be forged handle and hook. Your cowl looks like the second style with the welting on a lip of metal forward of the cowl, the same as my 9-27-28 Phaeton. The generator wire should be in a metal tube, until later in 29 when it changed to the fabric covering. AA trucks didn't get all the latest changes near as quickly as the A's did, so you have a mixture of many 28 and 29 parts. Hard to say what got replaced during the restoration.

11-03-2017, 08:56 PM	#75
jsain10 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Columbus ohio Posts: 38	Re: New here with model ar questions So i talked with the 2nd owner and he said its definitely a 1928 and he put whatever parts he could find to restore it

11-03-2017, 09:05 PM	#77
jsain10 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Columbus ohio Posts: 38	Re: New here with model ar questions Tom its working just gets hot

11-03-2017, 09:29 PM	#78
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: New here with model ar questions Your 5 brush powerhouse looks good, but I'd remove the plastic tape and give it a coat or two of "LIQUID TAPE". This is like a rubber coating and dries fairly quickly. A second coat can be applied after a 5 minute wait. Thankfully no one has foolishly turned the commutator. How hot is hot? From working and engine and radiator heat, they will get pretty warm, but you should be able to lay your hand on it. Use care around that Bakelite brush holder, as they are brittle and hard to find. I've repaired cracks in them with JB Weld, but nice ones are better and very rare.

11-03-2017, 10:10 PM	#79
jsain10 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Columbus ohio Posts: 38	Re: New here with model ar questions I will brush with liquid tape. thanks didn't think of that. Not sure i just remember one time it was really hot half hour after the truck was off. I love the truck and will slowly change things back over to 28 parts. Im sure i will learn more as i go.