Aluminum fans out of stock again

[ronn]

don snyder thank you!

[ronn]

I agree with you Hitman, but think labor rates are a close 2nd.


do chinese auto workers make 145k a year?


dont think so..............

[Hitman]

Originally Posted by ronn

I agree with you Hitman, but think labor rates are a close 2nd.


do chinese auto workers make 145k a year?


dont think so..............

Probably not, but neither do US factory floor autoworkers. Chinese auto workers probably don't have unions either. Do you think the pay is that different between a Canadian auto worker and a US autoworker?

[ronn]

maybe a 10-15% differential. Canada
no chinese dont have unions. avg income of a chinese worker maybe 12k a yr.


my understanding of US auto workers with bennies is well over 100k
UPS workers make north of 145k a yr on avg.

[Randy in ca]

For what it's worth a quick online search gave the following re Autoworkers:

USA
- Hourly wages can range from $30 to $40 or more, depending on experience, union
status, and location.
- Benefits, including health insurance, retirement plans, and paid time off, are also substantial.

China
-Hourly wages for Chinese autoworkers can range from $1.93 to $4.27, depending on the company and location.
-Some reports indicate that the average monthly wage for auto workers in China can be around $400, with bonuses and profit-sharing also common.

[MARKA]

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

So if , car manufacturers who produce in China bring their plants over to the mainland US , the prices of their products will increase dramatically. No more cheap electric cars , nor cheap prices for the millions and millions of parts and products manufactured there and imported into the US. Harbour Freight will go out of business. There was a reason that the US companies set up their plants there it was to maximize their profits and give lower prices for consumers.This is what made China rich.

[ronn]

Randy, much of the internet pricing is way off..........


I did a paper 12 yrs ago for a class and at that time, the avg chinese worker was making 10k a year- up from 4k a yr 10 yrs previous.


My wife is a specialized nurse and on the internet it shows half of what she actually earns. Most data is way old. just my experience.

[ronn]

btw- the fans are 68.95 at Snyders- so if you need one, get it while you can.

[47topless]

Originally Posted by ronn

btw- the fans are 68.95 at Snyders- so if you need one, get it while you can.

Thank you! I was able to order one.

[ronn]

surprised HF hasnt already gone out of business.


their prices arent what they once were.


America spends 51 trillion a yr on goods. no other country comes close.

[Jeff/Illinois]

What I always noted about folks talking about how high priced the other guy's labor is, is how they always justify THEIR labor costs

Working on an assembly line or running a machine all day long is very boring AND very tedious work. Watch the videos of the Model A assembly lines... would you want to bust YOUR hump all day long doing that?? The video of that black guy standing there pulling castings off of one set of rollers and shoving them onto another set, going just as fast as he can... Whatever he was being paid was no where near enough.... I wouldn't want to work like that all day long no way. And I don't consider myself lazy.

At my age anymore I just pay the price and move on, I don't fret it anymore. People have to make a living. And if paying a few more bucks soon for whatever, due to the changing game internationally bringing jobs and wealth BACK to this country that have been stripped away, so be it. Bring it on. America for Americans.

[alexiskai]

Originally Posted by Jeff/Illinois

People have to make a living. And if paying a few more bucks soon for whatever, due to the changing game internationally bringing jobs and wealth BACK to this country that have been stripped away, so be it. Bring it on. America for Americans.

Part of the problem here is:

1. As you mentioned, factory jobs are stressful/strenuous.
2. Therefore, to attract workers, these jobs must pay more than any less-stressful jobs available to those workers.
3. In the industrial heyday of the US, the alternative jobs for semi-skilled workers were other manual labor jobs like construction and agriculture that were more hazardous and typically intermittent, so factory work was comparatively attractive.
4. As the US got more prosperous, demand for services gradually increased. Think about how, when you were a kid, going out to eat was a rare occasion. Now many middle-class citizens barely cook anything themselves.
5. This means that there is now a massive service-sector labor market where semi-skilled workers can find jobs that are less strenuous than factory jobs.
6. Because those jobs pay pretty well, factory jobs will have to pay *even more* to attract workers.
7. But, the more a manufactured good costs, the fewer people want to buy it (this is the "demand curve"). If an item's cost of production exceeds some threshold, the total revenue from selling those items will be less than the cost to produce them, making any production unprofitable.
8. Consequently, a side effort is going on to cause an overall reduction in the number of service-sector jobs. The idea is that, if there are fewer service jobs available, that will depress wages overall and enable lower-cost industrial production.
9. But this is a real gamble, because if these efforts take too long or aren't able to lower costs enough, and the re-industrialization doesn't happen, you end up with stagflation – high unemployment AND higher prices.

What you're seeing now in the national discussion and financial markets is people making predictions (rhetorical and monetary) about whether the project to re-industrialize via trade barriers and reducing the service sector will succeed.

[BrianH]

Just ordered two fans from Snyders yesterday.

[Hitman]

N/m

[47topless]

Originally Posted by Hitman

The internet continues to amaze, even at the small scale of the Model A community.

Today, it's aluminum two blade fans. Shortages, and hoarding, like it's toilet paper in 2020.

It's to the point people are posting that they just ordered fans!

Not that it's any of your business but I purchased a new aluminum fan, to replace my original, for safety reasons.

[The Master Cylinder]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I've never bought, and never foreseen the need for an aluminum fan.

When your 90+ year old steel fan goes thru your radiator or hood, you may reconsider.

[dave in australia]

Some of us buy more than one because we have more than one car. I have seven Model A's, and although I am only restoring one at a time, I will buy multiples of required parts, so when required in the future, I have that part. It is also a hedge against future price increases of that part, which living in Australia, also covers currency exchange rate variances, cost of shipping etc. I support our local parts vendors, and buy from them, but they're not going to, nor should they absorb these costs.

[ronn]

all good points.
Hitman, Im sure you could head to Hershey or Carlisle or such and pickup 10 good used fans.
But some are of the camp, that new is better and the only way to go.


Nobody is right or wrong, but times have definitely changed. A restoration in the 1970s for the most part, isnt to the caliber of a true restoration today. Very hard when comparing apples and oranges.

• I have 6 model As at the moment. I am in no need of a fan. I have a new fan/waterpump on the shelf should I need one. Came off a project that I moved along. As much as I drive, will be surprised if I ever need that fan. I also have a spare motor. Has sat in my garage for about 15 yrs now. Also will prob never need it.
  
  

We all have our own requirements....

[Benson]

A little bit of humor here ...

VERY LITTLE !!

A man was revving up his engine looking for a noise which was difficult to find ...

What was the last thing that went through his mind ??





The FAN BLADE ... as it separated into two pieces!

This just a reminder about the real life dangers of using (90 plus) year old fans.

[Ruth]

Originally Posted by Benson

A little bit of humor here ...

VERY LITTLE !!

A man was revving up his engine looking for a noise which was difficult to find ...

What was the last thing that went through his mind ??





The FAN BLADE ... as it separated into two pieces!

YIKES!!