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freak · 10-14-2013, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Growley bear

Any way, as far fetched as a float crushed by a change in atmospheric pressure may sound to some folks, it is possible, and Bert's will make it right.
Chet

I would say that it is possible given too thin of material for proper float design.

Mitch//pa · 10-14-2013, 05:38 PM

i guess we will never find out , only the float knows

Paul from Maine · 10-14-2013, 06:53 PM

What about the float in the Marvel carb on my Continental O-200 in my Cessna? Guess I better not fly above 5,000' MSL!

freak · 10-14-2013, 06:55 PM

Airplanes have solid brass floats to circumvent that problem.

ford3 · 10-14-2013, 07:26 PM

does solid brass float?

whirnot · 10-14-2013, 07:39 PM

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freak · 10-14-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ford3

does solid brass float?

yes on mercury

freak · 10-14-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by whirnot

Eight

Eight what?

spdway1 · 10-14-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by james rogers

the deal is, no matter what caused it to crush, it was in good shape when steve shipped it. What makes the difference is he made good on it, even though he didn't cause it. If it was from atmospheric pressure it will go back to normal when he gets it back.

amen!!

freak · 10-14-2013, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by spdway1

amen!!

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Originally Posted by James Rogers

The deal is, no matter what caused it to crush, it was in good shape when Steve shipped it. What makes the difference is he made good on it, even though he didn't cause it. If it was from atmospheric pressure it will go back to normal when he gets it back.

He didn't ask for it back. Just for kicks I stuck it in my vacuum jar and drew it down to around 27Hg. (which is well below the pressure in Colorado!) It came out but not all the way. It was creased in places from the damage and the creases won't come out.

old1928fordguy · 10-14-2013, 09:10 PM

WOW

guys,Let me say one more time ,I was asked why the float was crushed when our customer called to report a problem.After talking with a couple hundred people on the phone that day I said ,spur of the moment, I don't know, but a GUESS is altitude might have been the problem. I did not say altitude WAS the problem. I remembered sometime in my 68 year foggy passed hearing this scenario . All I do know for a fact is, nobody here at Berts Model A Center knows all the answers, We just try to do our best for the customer. Next time it will be easier to just say the post office drove over it with a truck and send a new part . No chance then of being called an ignorant parts guy that's full of shit.I will be behind the counter and on the phone again tomorrow to try to help our customers and I know they will get the best Model A vendor service available .Give it a break and go drive that wonderful Model A of yours. That's what I did today on my day off. Thanks Again , Phil Turner, Berts Model A Center

freak · 10-14-2013, 09:23 PM

It's cool Phil... We're just having fun now. I really appreciate you taking care of me! The next time I have a float I don't want I will pressurize it and see what it takes to collapse it. My carb runs a lot better. Whoever rebuilt it last used a stack of washers close to 3/16" under the valve to get the bowl level right. Since the old float had about two tablespoons of gas in it it was extra heavy. I flooded out at almost every stop. Now with the new float I have one .030 washer under the valve. Sad thing is that I need a new carb top because the seat is drilled off center to the threads of the idle adjust screw. This causes the screw to bend and bind and be a pita to adjust correctly. But a new (old) carb is on the way! No drives tomorrow... rain is forecast.

Fred K-OR · 10-14-2013, 09:26 PM

I would think this discussion has completed the subject and ought to come to an end.

Thanks Phil and Steve for being there serving the A industry with some of the best service and parts in the business!

Mitch//pa · 10-14-2013, 09:32 PM

phil your not ignorant or full of shit
i thank you and your team for the hard work and effort to keep our model A's on the road. you guys run a first class business as shown in this thread and others
we do need to find out what actually happened to Mr.Float so phil do you have a forensic lab you can recommend where we can put this issue to rest.

10-14-2013, 05:38 PM	#42
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: float crushed from altitude change? i guess we will never find out , only the float knows

10-14-2013, 06:53 PM	#43
Paul from Maine Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oxford Hills, Maine Posts: 325	Re: float crushed from altitude change? What about the float in the Marvel carb on my Continental O-200 in my Cessna? Guess I better not fly above 5,000' MSL!

10-14-2013, 06:55 PM	#44
freak Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pemberville, Ohio Posts: 457	Re: float crushed from altitude change? Airplanes have solid brass floats to circumvent that problem.

10-14-2013, 07:26 PM	#45
ford3 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: oroville calif. Posts: 1,453	Re: float crushed from altitude change? does solid brass float?

10-14-2013, 07:39 PM	#46
whirnot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Bend Or. Posts: 1,057	Re: float crushed from altitude change? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Eight __________________ Bill Worden 1929 Roadster 1929 Briggs Town Sedan 1930 Closed Cab pickup Smith Motor Compressor 1951 Ford F1 High Desert Model A's

10-14-2013, 09:10 PM	#51
old1928fordguy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Denver Posts: 106	Re: float crushed from altitude change? WOW guys,Let me say one more time ,I was asked why the float was crushed when our customer called to report a problem.After talking with a couple hundred people on the phone that day I said ,spur of the moment, I don't know, but a GUESS is altitude might have been the problem. I did not say altitude WAS the problem. I remembered sometime in my 68 year foggy passed hearing this scenario . All I do know for a fact is, nobody here at Berts Model A Center knows all the answers, We just try to do our best for the customer. Next time it will be easier to just say the post office drove over it with a truck and send a new part . No chance then of being called an ignorant parts guy that's full of shit.I will be behind the counter and on the phone again tomorrow to try to help our customers and I know they will get the best Model A vendor service available .Give it a break and go drive that wonderful Model A of yours. That's what I did today on my day off. Thanks Again , Phil Turner, Berts Model A Center

10-14-2013, 09:23 PM	#52
freak Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pemberville, Ohio Posts: 457	Re: float crushed from altitude change? It's cool Phil... We're just having fun now. I really appreciate you taking care of me! The next time I have a float I don't want I will pressurize it and see what it takes to collapse it. My carb runs a lot better. Whoever rebuilt it last used a stack of washers close to 3/16" under the valve to get the bowl level right. Since the old float had about two tablespoons of gas in it it was extra heavy. I flooded out at almost every stop. Now with the new float I have one .030 washer under the valve. Sad thing is that I need a new carb top because the seat is drilled off center to the threads of the idle adjust screw. This causes the screw to bend and bind and be a pita to adjust correctly. But a new (old) carb is on the way! No drives tomorrow... rain is forecast.

10-14-2013, 09:26 PM	#53
Fred K-OR Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Stayton, Oregon Posts: 3,806	Re: float crushed from altitude change? I would think this discussion has completed the subject and ought to come to an end. Thanks Phil and Steve for being there serving the A industry with some of the best service and parts in the business! __________________ Fred Kroon 1929 Std Coupe 1929 Huckster

10-14-2013, 09:32 PM	#54
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: float crushed from altitude change? phil your not ignorant or full of shit i thank you and your team for the hard work and effort to keep our model A's on the road. you guys run a first class business as shown in this thread and others we do need to find out what actually happened to Mr.Float so phil do you have a forensic lab you can recommend where we can put this issue to rest.