The Ford Barn

JSeery · 10-19-2017, 03:43 PM

The cotter pin is there to keep the hole open, the hole is there to let out any oil that accumulates there.

Step-down · 10-19-2017, 05:50 PM

Thank goodness Henry wasn't related to either Harley or Davidson . My 30' VL Harley has a total lost oil system ... I can't complain about my old Ford .....

ford38v8 · 10-20-2017, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankWest

I said the large cotter pin is there to release excess transmission oil, what did I do wrong?

See there, Frank, that's another question!

Bored&Stroked · 10-21-2017, 07:14 AM

I took the damn cotter pin out on my last engine - decided after all these years of looking at them, that I no longer needed too . . . made it easier to paint the pan anyway! LOL

G.M. · 10-21-2017, 08:57 AM

I wouldn't remove the cotter pin. It is there to keep the oil drain hole open.
Without it oil mixed with dirt and road gravel would eventually close the
hole and over time enough oil could build up for the fly wheel teeth to
throw it up into the clutch. The cotter pin is loose so it jiggles to keep
the hole open. G.M.

grumppyoldman · 10-21-2017, 04:56 PM

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I wrapped a rubber band around mine, the noise of it spinning drove me crazy. Al

ford38v8 · 10-21-2017, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by grumppyoldman

I wrapped a rubber band around mine, the noise of it spinning drove me crazy. Al

The noise you heard was merely harmless feedback from your hearing aid...Still, you can control this phenomenon by turning down the volume.

JSeery · 10-21-2017, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by grumppyoldman

I wrapped a rubber band around mine, the noise of it spinning drove me crazy. Al

Open pipes and a QC and you'll never notice the cotter pin noise!

Britcheflee · 10-21-2017, 10:07 PM

I have an old 8N tractor with that same cotter pin in the bottom of the clutch bellhousing - supposed to allow accumulation of moisture and any oil to drip out rather than build up and get on the clutch as I was told.....

40ford · 10-21-2017, 10:27 PM

Old Ford saying"If it ain't leaking,don't crank it up,because there is no oil in it"

JM 35 Sedan · 10-21-2017, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Britcheflee

I have an old 8N tractor with that same cotter pin in the bottom of the clutch bellhousing - supposed to allow accumulation of moisture and any oil to drip out rather than build up and get on the clutch as I was told.....

That is the reason why the cotter pin was placed in that hole. I have a difficult time believing that a Ford vehicle could run and drive so quitely that you could hear that cotter pin spinning or rattling, even when wearing hearing aids

tubman · 10-21-2017, 10:46 PM

I've been following this thread mainly out of curiosity, since I'm an "8BA guy". I'm wondering : did Ford improve the oil seals enough in going to the 8BA's to be able to eliminate the cotter key? IIRC, they both use similar "rope" seals.

JM 35 Sedan · 10-21-2017, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tubman

I've been following this thread mainly out of curiosity, since I'm an "8BA guy". I'm wondering : did Ford improve the oil seals enough in going to the 8BA's to be able to eliminate the cotter key? IIRC, they both use similar "rope" seals.

The rear seal was improved before the 8ba, but since oil pans were interchangeable between the years of 35 to 48 pass car engines, I'm thinking Ford kept that drain hole up to 48, just for that reason.

Bored&Stroked · 10-22-2017, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tubman

I've been following this thread mainly out of curiosity, since I'm an "8BA guy". I'm wondering : did Ford improve the oil seals enough in going to the 8BA's to be able to eliminate the cotter key? IIRC, they both use similar "rope" seals.

The 8BA oil pan doesn't cover the bottom of the clutch area like the earlier ones do - so if the rear main leaks, it is going to flow out between the removable bell housing and the back of the block. The stock oil seal in an 8BA is basically the same as in prior years - so it isn't a better seal by any means.

I think I'll start selling "retrofit cotter keys" for 8BAs, should be able to raise enough Hell on the internet for it to go 'viral' and then everybody will want one! Yeah - that's it . . . my new way to fame and fortune!

B&S

chap52 · 10-22-2017, 01:15 PM

It's an oil level indicator like the old Harley's had. When you have parked it for awhile and return... if there is no oil spot under it, it's time to add oil...

Bored&Stroked · 10-22-2017, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by whizzernick

Yes:::::: I do sell a fix to the oil drip (not leak ) problem. (DIAPER)

My question was simple (I think ) but 12 people chose not to answer my question.

Hmmmmm . . . the text in the body of your post had no questions, just opinions that are represented as commonly held ones. Only the title was a question . . .

We all know the answer - and the answer is "No" . . . why would anybody believe that Ford designed it to leak? That makes absolutely no sense at all - what would be the purpose of such a design - I can think of none.

It sorta seems like the main point was to mention the diaper you sell -- cool by me -- by letting folks know, maybe you'll sell some to those who have a problem and like your solution. Maybe just make a post that shows your solution, how it is installed, an example on a car, etc. . . .

Clem Clement · 10-22-2017, 04:40 PM

If you ain't drippin,
You ain't trippin

ford38v8 · 10-22-2017, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

It sorta seems like the main point was to mention the diaper you sell -- cool by me -- by letting folks know, maybe you'll sell some to those who have a problem and like your solution. Maybe just make a post that shows your solution, how it is installed, an example on a car, etc. . . .

Surely you jest. I for one do not wish to see a picture of a dirty diaper.

Bored&Stroked · 10-22-2017, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ford38v8

Surely you jest. I for one do not wish to see a picture of a dirty diaper.

Solid point . . . especially after eating "baby carrots" out of a jar! LOL!

GB SISSON · 10-22-2017, 09:10 PM

All four of my running flathead vehicles were built with 'Best Gaskets' sets and I see no leaks on any of them. Only my British stuff leaks.

10-19-2017, 03:43 PM	#21
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? The cotter pin is there to keep the hole open, the hole is there to let out any oil that accumulates there.

10-19-2017, 05:50 PM	#22
Step-down Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Hat City (Danbury CT) Posts: 647	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? Thank goodness Henry wasn't related to either Harley or Davidson . My 30' VL Harley has a total lost oil system ... I can't complain about my old Ford ..... __________________ "I can't cry as long as I know the Lord has risen "

10-21-2017, 07:14 AM	#24
Bored&Stroked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 5,723	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? I took the damn cotter pin out on my last engine - decided after all these years of looking at them, that I no longer needed too . . . made it easier to paint the pan anyway! LOL

10-21-2017, 08:57 AM	#25
G.M. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida and Penna. Posts: 4,471	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? I wouldn't remove the cotter pin. It is there to keep the oil drain hole open. Without it oil mixed with dirt and road gravel would eventually close the hole and over time enough oil could build up for the fly wheel teeth to throw it up into the clutch. The cotter pin is loose so it jiggles to keep the hole open. G.M. __________________ www.fordcollector.com

10-21-2017, 04:56 PM	#26
grumppyoldman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 727	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I wrapped a rubber band around mine, the noise of it spinning drove me crazy. Al

10-21-2017, 10:07 PM	#29
Britcheflee Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 26	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? I have an old 8N tractor with that same cotter pin in the bottom of the clutch bellhousing - supposed to allow accumulation of moisture and any oil to drip out rather than build up and get on the clutch as I was told.....

10-21-2017, 10:27 PM	#30
40ford Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cherryville,N.C. Posts: 550	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? Old Ford saying"If it ain't leaking,don't crank it up,because there is no oil in it"

10-21-2017, 10:46 PM	#32
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 11,639	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? I've been following this thread mainly out of curiosity, since I'm an "8BA guy". I'm wondering : did Ford improve the oil seals enough in going to the 8BA's to be able to eliminate the cotter key? IIRC, they both use similar "rope" seals.

10-22-2017, 01:15 PM	#35
chap52 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Marana Arizona Posts: 1,829	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? It's an oil level indicator like the old Harley's had. When you have parked it for awhile and return... if there is no oil spot under it, it's time to add oil...

10-22-2017, 04:40 PM	#37
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,532	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? If you ain't drippin, You ain't trippin

10-22-2017, 09:10 PM	#40
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 5,881	Re: V-8 is supposed to leak ? All four of my running flathead vehicles were built with 'Best Gaskets' sets and I see no leaks on any of them. Only my British stuff leaks. __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1946 Tonner Pickup with 226 H six, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, now wearing 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)