rust in water

[Chuck Sea/Tac]

Originally Posted by Tom F OHIO

Can you use the water wetter that the suppliers sell? Will that lube it?

I ran water wetter, for several years, thinking I was protected with an inhibitor, but alas., not so. Now Ive added an inhibitor. However, This is only my observation from my armchair. Just reread your question, and not sure of lubricanting capabilities, as I was looking for rust inhibitors.

[H. L. Chauvin]

Reply No 8 has great merit.

The insides of many Model A radiators look "exactly" like the Titanic ..... no 50/50 Antifreeze and all corroded with barnacles fed by the earth's minerals.

Plus, the Titanic Captain never had a Ship Forum like a Model A Forum ..... as such, he had never been informed and warned about his observing only the tip of the iceberg.

[zzlegend]

I didn't know the Titanic had a radiator. Go figure. Must have been a Huge sucker.
Better get back to my history books.

[Tom Wesenberg]

I think I'll just use salt water in my Model A. It's cheaper than antifreeze.

[daveymc29]

I have a friend that has been down to the Titanic, it is rusty. He had to get a Russian ship to do the dive from as no American one would. Some silly law we have. I'll pass in the salt water in the radiator. I also should have mentioned that the engine was boiled out before rebuilding last year, according to the guys that did the machining. Maybe not so good?

[Dick Steinkamp]

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Originally Posted by daveymc29

I have a friend that has been down to the Titanic, it is rusty. He had to get a Russian ship to do the dive from as no American one would. Some silly law we have.

A little OT, but "some silly law we have" had nothing to do with the Russians making the dive to the Titanic. They had the technology to do it, we didn't.

http://rbth.com/articles/2012/04/05/...nic_15262.html

[robgross1930]

Originally Posted by daveymc29

I also should have mentioned that the engine was boiled out before rebuilding last year, according to the guys that did the machining. Maybe not so good?

Yes, maybe not so good. Depends on what they used which might not remove a tightly clinging rust deposit or remove no rust at all. Also, after they've boiled out the block and do the machine work, shavings from the machine work can fall down in the water jacket. If the machinist is not too lazy he will blow it out with compressed air. However, the cutting fluid used by the machinist can mix in with the shavings and fall down in the water jacket and the shavings will tend to lodge in clumps and stick like glue, especially when the cutting fluid evaporates.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by daveymc29

I have a friend that has been down to the Titanic, it is rusty. He had to get a Russian ship to do the dive from as no American one would. Some silly law we have. I'll pass in the salt water in the radiator. I also should have mentioned that the engine was boiled out before rebuilding last year, according to the guys that did the machining. Maybe not so good?

If boiled out means he did the hot tank with lye solution, that has always been my favorite way to clean a block, especially to make sure the inside of the cooling chamber gets cleaned out.

[Y-Blockhead]

I think this thread is corroding rapidly.

[Mitch//pa]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

I think this thread is corroding rapidly.

And its full of rust holes

[Cornishman]

Nobody has answered my question about soluble oil. Just like Mr Grumpy I am aware of the properties of the two and am confused by the name. Any offers? I almost typed any offers gentlemen, but they seem to be thin on the ground around here.

[robgross1930]

Originally Posted by Cornishman

Nobody has answered my question about soluble oil. Just like Mr Grumpy I am aware of the properties of the two and am confused by the name. Any offers? I almost typed any offers gentlemen, but they seem to be thin on the ground around here.

Corn, when you post under other people's post with contradictory statements, what do you expect? Also, if you will look up the meaning of soluble, like I suggested, there is almost no way you could not understand. Soluble oil is an oil that will mix with water to prevent the water from causing rust.

The following below is an example of a soluble oil that is suitable for use in automotive cooling systems. As you can see, the product also has other uses. Read the whole page.


ChevronTexaco Soluble D
Categories: Fluid; Lubricant
Material Notes: Texaco Soluble Oil D delivers value through:

• No separation — Excellent emulsion even with hard water
• Rust protection for steel work and machined parts even when water-oil emulsion ratios are eighty to one
• Ability to control bacterial growth and rancid odors
• Cooling improved by metal wetting. Also good chip settling.
• Reduced foaming — Possibility of sump overflow minimized.
• Stability in storage — Will not turn rancid.
• Texaco Soluble Oil D is an emulsifying oil which readily mixes with water, forming a homogeneous and exceptionally stable emulsion. It provides rust and corrosion inhibition and foam inhibition. It is used in the machining of both ferrous and nonferrous metals, particularly when cutting with carbon or high speed steel or tungsten carbide tools. It also combats bacterial growth in machine sumps.

Texaco Soluble Oil D is used broadly in machine shop operations as a multifunctional cutting fluid. It is designed primarily to cool and lubricate the contact point of the tool and the work piece. It also prevents rusting or corrosion of the metals being machined as well as controls growth of bacteria, which is a constant problem in soluble oil circulating systems due to outside contamination.

Texaco Soluble Oil D minimizes surface foam and speeds the release of entrained air which could cause pump cavitation. This is a versatile fluid designed to meet many of the situations encountered in the metalworking industry.
Texaco Soluble Oil D is recommended for all metals (except magnesium) where maximum cooling is desired, particularly when cutting with carbon, high speed steel, or tungsten carbide tools.

Texaco Soluble Oil D is used extensively in milling, drilling, gear cutting, turning, planing, shaping, sawing, and grinding operations.
One gallon of Texaco Soluble Oil D for each 20 gallons of water satisfies most cutting operations; however, the add oil to water to avoid forming sticky invert emulsions which do not emulsify properly in water. See the Soluble Oil Mixing Recommendations chart for the proper ratio for the application.

Texaco Soluble Oil D is suitable for use in automotive cooling systems to prevent rust and corrosion. A mixture of forty to one is most often used. However, always follow engine manufacturers recommendations. It is preferable to mix radiator water and oil in a separate container. Additions to the radiator should be made from this container. As with any other "additives", the radiator should be drained and flushed occasionally, since evaporation and leakage cause proportions to change.

Do not recommend Texaco Soluble Oil D emulsions for magnesium. Hot magnesium is a fire hazard when it contacts water. The preferred recommendation is Texaco Alcaid® 19 (ISO 22).

Typical test data are average values only. Minor variations which do not affect product performance are to be expected in normal manufacturing. CPS Number: 220786; MSDS Number: 8625
Vendors: Available Properties

• API Gravity
• Saybolt Viscosity at 100°F
• Saybolt Viscosity at 210°F
• Kinematic Viscosity at 40°C (104°F)
• Kinematic Viscosity at 100°C (212°F)
• Pour Point
• Flash Point
• Sulfur, S

Property Data

[H. L. Chauvin]

Model A Forum Radiator Happiness (20) Year Summary:

1. The Happy guys ones are usually the ones with clean Model A radiators who start out either "using", or "not using" 50/50 Antifreeze mixed with rain and/or distilled water.

2. The Grumpy guys are usually the ones who refused to start out with 50/50 Antifreeze mixed with rain and/or distilled water and later become Grumpy Stage One (1) after their engines begin to overheat.

3. Stage Two (2) Grumpy comes later when they have to fork out cash to buy a new radiator.

4. Finally, they get Happy again ..... such is life .... some learn, some do not.

[robgross1930]

Originally Posted by H. L. Chauvin

Model A Forum Radiator Happiness (20) Year Summary:

1. The Happy guys ones are usually the ones with clean Model A radiators who start out either "using", or "not using" 50/50 Antifreeze mixed with rain and/or distilled water.

2. The Grumpy guys are usually the ones who refused to start out with 50/50 Antifreeze mixed with rain and/or distilled water and later become Grumpy Stage One (1) after their engines begin to overheat.

3. Stage Two (2) Grumpy comes later when they have to fork out cash to buy a new radiator.

4. Finally, they get Happy again ..... such is life .... some learn, some do not.

I live in an area where antifreeze is not needed. Never had an overheating problem with soluble oil and water mix and my radiator always stays clean. There is no better coolant than water and antifreeze doesn't carry as much heat from the engine to the radiator as an equivalent amount of water.

[Dino's A]

As far as soluble oil goes, I have seen it work very well. My fathers Model A set idle for about 20 years with a mixture of soluble oil / distilled water. When I removed the radiator, the radiator shop wouldn't charge me a dime because it was clean. I run anti freeze now, but always wondered how much soluble oil should be in the water. What's the mixture? Anyone know??

[robgross1930]

Originally Posted by Dino's A

As far as soluble oil goes, I have seen it work very well. My fathers Model A set idle for about 20 years with a mixture of soluble oil / distilled water. When I removed the radiator, the radiator shop wouldn't charge me a dime because it was clean. I run anti freeze now, but always wondered how much soluble oil should be in the water. What's the mixture? Anyone know??

The mixture varies based on the oil company's recommendation. Texaco Soluble Oil D for example is recommended at 40 to 1.

Forty years ago on back and a few people even now, pour in a can of water pump lubricant along with their antifreeze and water mix in their modern car. Water pump lubricant is soluble oil. It is sold in auto parts stores under the names: Gunk, Johnsen's and Bar's Leak.

Nowadays, however, in my opinion, the antifreeze provides enough lube for water pumps and the extra soluble oil is not needed.

[H. L. Chauvin]

Probable January 2017 Addenda to be added to the former Model A Lubrication Charts:

Note: Forget about the former caution not to clog your radiator tubes by over-greasing your Model A water pump; however, to insure your radiator stays spotless and clean, check your oil to water ratio and grease to water ratio in your radiator often.

All new cars will use this radiator cleaning and rust preventative method soon.

[H. L. Chauvin]

Hi Up,

Heard something similar, e.g., per above #39, in a recent mechanical engineering study where over 400 million cars driven daily for over 10 years nationwide showed no signs of rust after constantly using 50/50 antifreeze, a Snack Bar Janitor at one of our major U. S. Auto Manufacturing Companies, (who incidentally owns a Model A), saw this highly classified Top Secrete University Report and suggested to all World Leaders to quit using 50/50 antifreeze and to begin substituting natural, ecological friendly Penguin Oil.

The World Leaders in the United Nations immediately considered this janitor's written suggestion; but later decided that penguins consumed enough fish to help reduce our overall Planet Global Warming Problem ..... so the UN suggested not only for car manufacturers to continue recommending using 50/50 antifreeze, which always works to suppress engine block rust accumulation; but they also directed this janitor to quit using Penguin Oil, to quit killing penguins, and fined him $17.76 in the U.N. World Court.

Nothing like a New Year started on a good friendly Model A Tip & Warning.

[Chippy Minton]

Originally Posted by tbirdtbird

Agree with everything above. Moreover, as far as iron goes, chemists know that water is a known catalyst for the oxidizing (rusting) process

Yep. Wet and warmth. Don't put your A A way in a A heated garidge, it'll rust quicker than normal.

[Chippy Minton]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

Why is everyone so grumpy? We're on the Eve of a New Year...

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Definition of soluble oil
1: sulfonated oil
2: an emulsifiable oil (such as a mineral oil containing a sulfonated oil or a soap as emulsifier) for use in the form of an aqueous emulsion as a cutting fluid, textile lubricant, or carrier for insecticides; also : the emulsion formed from such an oil

Surely an emulsion and a solution ar to difrent things?