12-03-2014, 01:29 PM | #101 |
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Post 100. When I originally read your first post 3 weeks ago, I thought to myself, oh, sheared the teeth off the timing gear. Didn't say anything because I figured that would be obvious to the folks here. Don't get discouraged. If 100,000 farmers and ranchers could take it apart and put a new gear on, you probably can too. But we still don't know if that's what happened.
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12-03-2014, 03:12 PM | #102 |
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that's the wrong end the female end is in dist. I don't know or ever heard of a dist puller. If you are in a warm area like ca or fl you could use a pipe wrench to twist the dist out by now. Only you know what you have and ford made thing easy to fix not like today mass air senses were a bug would stop the car cold. The dist can only go in one way so don,t take the joke to heart. |
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12-03-2014, 05:02 PM | #105 |
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Frank,
The quickest way to teach yourself the basics of a Ford Model B engine is to pull up a chair and start to think thorough the function of each part aided by a re-print copy of the illustration from the period chassis parts catalogue shown below. For example, you asked if you have to drain the oil to check the condition of the timing gear, but that suggests that you haven't looked at your engine, identified the timing gear cover in question, and then considered its position relative to the oil pan (where the oil is). 99% of automotive technology circa 1933 is common sense based. Nearly all the hobbyists that frequent this site acquired their knowledge before the internet existed and I'll bet that in nearly every case they did so with a direct, take-it-apart and put-it-back-together approach like the proverbial kid and his watch. As the illustration is a composite of the Ford four-cylinder engine used between 1928 and 1934, you'll note some components that aren't on your engine or differ from what is on your engine. Once you've identified those by process of elimination or substitution, you're on your way. There is a separate illustration in the cited catalogue for each of the add-on parts to the engine such as the distributor, carburetor, generator, etc., etc. At this stage of your education regarding your '33 four, you need pictures far more than words. |
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12-03-2014, 05:21 PM | #107 |
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Frank,
As a side note, save all of the bolts and reuse them. I know this would be a sin on a satellite. The bolts that hold the cover on (I assume they are the same as a '32) have a rounded head and are not available from the local hardware store with the correct head. This is typical of many things on the car. Charlie Stephens |
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Charlie,
With respect, I'm sure that you meant to limit that comment to the two bolts on the side of the cover and not to the hex bolt on the underside, otherwise Frank may think that the bolt underneath should have a rounded head. He should save that bolt too because it hopefully is the original with a thick flat head unlike the bolts available today at hardware stores which have noticeably thinner heads. (Except for the flywheel housing, front timing gear cover, water pump, water inlet casting and pipe, and front motor mount bracket, a '33 four is identical to a late '32 four in all respects. |
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Frank,
Do as David G says, but you have to also remove three bolts on the front of the timing cover to get the small side cover off. I am quite sure that you will find the timing gear has teeth sheared off. It is very common on an old engine. A good 4 cylinder mechanic can get the old one off and a new one on in a few hours, but it is a big job if you have never done it, but certainly not impossible for someone of your skills. |
12-03-2014, 06:33 PM | #110 |
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a real skilled and experience mechanic is like an artist!
Someone who develops a feel for the machine, no just replaces parts. Truly skilled people in any field are rare. We seem to have more parts replaces today than truly skilled technicians. I am new to the field and only entered it because I fell in love with these wonderful old cars from an exciting time the 1920's to early 1930's. I really hate new plastic cars and have little interest in them. |
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My bad; midgetracer is correct. There are six bolts in total.
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12-03-2014, 08:08 PM | #115 |
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Well, someone has to say this, so may as well be me...
Frank, as I mentioned before, I admire your tenacity to solve this on yur ow, That said, I see in this thread, and your earlier ones, you haven't answered specific questions that could help you out, or give others offering advice, and better direction to lead you to a solution. I really think you need to have a gear head come over and take a look at it, just to confirm what the probable cause and issues are. You seem to be reluctant to tell anyone where you are located, and I'm not sure why...heck, you could have DavidG 2 miles away from you and in 10 minutes, eliminate 5 days of asking questions. It is always satisfying to "fix it yourself", but sometimes a keener more experienced eye is needed. Good luck! |
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I am stumbling along but enjoy the fact that I am learning and feel like I am part of the 1930's. I almost bought an already restored car but I am happy with this 95% original 1933 ford because now I am learning about the car. My plans are to keep this car and use and repair it myself for the rest of my life. Tomorrow morning I will take off the timing gear side port to see the condition of the gear. Strange, but I have many repair books and service bullitons but no show how to replace the timing gear/gears? Well I will see tomor/row. Thanks again.... |
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Frank, You might want to get the "Model A Mechanics Handbook--Vol 1".
There are a lot of things that are similar, like changing the timing gear, between the Model A and your 1933. Here's a link http://www.brattons.com/product.asp?...=any&PT_ID=all Bob |
12-03-2014, 10:19 PM | #118 |
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Do you have a spark plug wrench or a adjustable wrench.
A big step for tomorrow remove the spark plugs. Now if the can turn engine over look and see if the VALVESS are moving. Last edited by George/Maine; 12-04-2014 at 05:57 AM. |
12-03-2014, 10:23 PM | #119 |
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I think somebody forgot to take their medication.
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12-03-2014, 11:22 PM | #120 |
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George you need to keep it clean. A good idea is to take a remedial English class too. You try to give advice but nobody can understand what you're trying to say because of your poor sentence structure and lack of punctuation in the correct place.
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