The Ford Barn

Jordan · 02-08-2013, 12:56 AM

I've realized that in life, you have to practice what they taught us in sunday school as a kids. You have to be accepting of everyone from different walks of life, because nobody is the same. Judging & condemning people is going to get you nowhere.

Aok · 02-08-2013, 08:46 AM

If it were me I would I post my juice brakes and other modified related questions on the Hamb and all the stock questions here. If for no other reason that there is more knowledge on modified vehicles on the Hamb as more people have done in so better feedback. I personally do not care what you post if not interested I just move on to another post.

springerpete · 02-09-2013, 08:04 AM

I think what needs to be done now is A) If your weather is bad, go out to your garage and do something A'ish and breath the fresh air. or B) If your weather is good, go out to your garage and start 'er up and go for a drive and breath the fresh air. Relax, enjoy .

pooch · 02-08-2013, 02:06 AM

I tried the hamb, but found it irritating.

Old posts about 100 pages long that are just added and added to and all makes of car, of which I have no interest in.

I asked Ryan if he could start a model T and model A HOT ROD (only ) forum.

He said NO....

If I had the knowledge I would make one.

I am into stock bodied model A/s but something can that be driven safely at highway speeds, and NOT being told that a good model A will do 65 MPH flat out....huh?, at absolute flat out 65 MPH speeds all day, you will blow the crank out on the road and still be run over by trucks .

Not as much fun as a nice stock looking rod cruising effortlessly at 80 MPH.

I also have an original phaeton and an original pickup, so know what is best for me.

I know I will get jumped on here as the OP is by some, but if you in live in a glass house, you should not throw stones with your Mitchell overdrives, your HC heads, your inserted bearings, your F100 steering boxes, your float motor engine mounts, etc etc etc....the list of non-stock here is a long one.....

I hang about here, because the hamb does not satisfy my need for knowledge on stock model A bodies and chassis over there.

700rpm · 02-08-2013, 02:28 AM

"This is a site for stock restoration fellas. We are purists. Case closed." How can there be any questions? If the owner of the site states the rules as unequivocally as that, we should respect them. We are guests here. He didn't condemn anyone; he simply and clearly stated the rules.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 02-08-2013, 03:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 700rpm

"This is a site for stock restoration fellas. We are purists. Case closed." How can there be any questions? If the owner of the site states the rules as unequivocally as that, we should respect them. We are guests here. He didn't condemn anyone; he simply and clearly stated the rules.

Where in this thread did Ryan make these comments?? Am I blind? The Dog didn't see it either & he doesn't need glasses. Bill W.

Mike V. Florida · 02-08-2013, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

Where in this thread did Ryan make these comments?? Am I blind? The Dog didn't see it either & he doesn't need glasses. Bill W.

Read post number 30 on the thread "master Cylinder for 1929...."

BILL WILLIAMSON · 02-08-2013, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

Read post number 30 on the thread "master Cylinder for 1929...."

Thank you, Mike. Bill W.

I didn't follow that thread in the beginning. If this site is for THE PURIST ONLY, I guess I DON'T fit in???? Maybe burnout is approaching?? Bill W.

Joe K · 02-08-2013, 04:53 AM

Sad to say, Mike has it spot on. See https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showpo...8&postcount=30 active link which should bring you directly to it.

But let us define inhale. After that let us define "purist."

Without further direction from the driver, perhaps we who are less than pure can hang onto the running boards?

I hope so. It's been a fun ride so far.

Um, driver, watch for the stop sign up ahead? (He says pointing)

Maybe like that other board I inhabit, we can have a "prefix" which kind of gives a heads up to what the post might contain? Perhaps a "fine point" prefix, a Touring Class prefix, a Safety prefix, a vintage hot rod prefix, a "outta this world" prefix for those whose money or ambition can't be contained.

If you don't want to see anything in these areas - don't click! Life is simple when you have choices - and you know what you want.

Meanwhile, don't expect me to remove my stainless steel spark and accelerator rods. It was heartbreaking enough when the chrome wore through after three years and the rods started rusting. I just can't handle that kind of disappointment again!

Joe K

Mike V. Florida · 02-08-2013, 02:44 AM

RyanB I sent you a PM.

Mike V. Florida · 02-08-2013, 06:14 AM

I see it this way, when you drive on the road there are certain rules to follow, speed limits, stop signs, traffic light, no U turn, school zone and on and on.

Some people follow these to the letter, driving at speed 35 miles an hour no matter how long the line is behind them. Others push the limits, they drive 5, 6 miles over the limit, maybe roll through a stop sign, make a right on red. And still others figure if I don't see them all bets are off.

When a person is stopped they say, the speed limit is too slow, the stop sign had a bush in front, the guy in front of me did it why stop me, everybody does it. But does any of that change the fact that the driver was in the wrong? Is it the policing agency fault that the meter just ran out, or there was no parking spaces? Some days you get away with it some days not.

It's the same here on this site. Post what you want, when the policing agency stops you, you know you have gone to far and now you know the limits thats all. Your not going to jail, you don't have to pay a fine. Oh well I goofed and life goes on.

Kevin in NJ · 02-08-2013, 07:19 AM

This is a site for information.

You also have to understand there is a difference between being a purist and doing the job right.

My main argument is the Model A suffers from too much mis-information.

It is not hard to arrive at the conclusion, by listening to people at shows, comments in the club magazines, and comments here on the board that the original A was not very reliable and needs all kinds of modifications. In fact, one year at Hershey, I listened to well known company selling alternators and came away wondering how the A survived 2 days from the factory with a generator.

Most people believe the Model A is only good to 45 MPH. For good reasons sadly, most do not know that Ford designed the the A to run 60 MPH and can run safely and comfortably run 55 all day long- from the factory. Because of poor restoration techniques because of a lot of bad information or just a lack of desire to do the job right most cars are run only up to 45 MPH. Quite frankly most of the cars that are good to 45 MPH I feel are not safe past 30.

SO my point..

When someone comes on and says I am converting to safer juice brakes.

When some comes and says I need to convert to an alternator cause gen cant put out enough.

When someone comes on and claims they have put on a float a motor.

When someone comes on and claims they need new steering box cause the old one wont work.

When someone comes on and wants to change to modern points because you can not get the old types on the road.

Well these are people that do not understand something about their cars. Someone should take the time to explain that their reasons are not sound in why they want to make a change. At some point we need to educate people about their car and how they were designed to be built. If we do not then 50 years from now two things can happen. We have almost no original Model A systems and we lose the knowledge on how to properly bring the original parts back to factory specifications.

NOW please keep in mind I am not advocating purism with our cars. I am advocating education and understanding, not the lemmings leap to all modern parts cause the old stuff can not work. Clearly people are doing different things with their cars and there are times when some changes make sense. But do you think blind changes because everyone else is doing it a good reason?

As it turns out, if you take the time to properly restore the factory mechanical tolerances to the A you end up with a very reliable car. A car that should only need lubrication and occasional adjustments over a 40 year period with mild driving. Keep in mind this does not mean you have to have the exact correct for the month of build parts. I know my chassis is a mix of parts, but they are all pretty close to factory and hopefully I did not screw up too much. Building the A back to factory is almost like building a race car.

Ryan · 02-08-2013, 08:19 AM

This site should, in fact, focus on the stock and pure restoration. And we try to... However, there are sidebars... And I'm fine with that. So long as these sidebars don't run off the purists.

That's all...

RyanB, you are all good man. Don't sweat it.

ScottNW/Ohio · 02-08-2013, 08:37 AM

It's all good, we're all about safety, reliability, and originality here.
Just be carefull about questions about putting in a small block and mustang II front end - that's when things can go off the rails here

We're glad to help, honest

30ccpickup · 02-08-2013, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

This site should, in fact, focus on the stock and pure restoration. And we try to... However, there are sidebars... And I'm fine with that. So long as these sidebars don't run off the purists.

That's all...

RyanB, you are all good man. Don't sweat it.

Thanks for the site, I like your rules.

Paul

Gyrodoc · 02-09-2013, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

This site should, in fact, focus on the stock and pure restoration. And we try to... However, there are sidebars... And I'm fine with that. So long as these sidebars don't run off the purists.

That's all...

RyanB, you are all good man. Don't sweat it.

My take. Those of us in clubs get along, help each other. In my club there are purists and members who believe juice brakes, tube shocks etc.etc. The bottom line we all love Model A's. It's all good. Ryan C thanks for tolerating some of the side bars. I really appreciate this forum.
Thanks
Richard

amodel25 · 02-08-2013, 08:44 AM

I have an oil filter and an alternator (6v pos ground).........should I leave????

newshirt · 02-08-2013, 09:22 AM

I lurked on this forum for a few months before buying my Model A. And for another year after, I was secure in the knowledge that Model A's came from the factory with hydraulic brakes, 16" tires, and alternators. I thank the nutty purists for finally persuading me. Don't push them out!

Roadster62 · 02-08-2013, 09:37 AM

Both The Ford Barn and the HAMB are great sites, filled with information to keep old Ford projects moving along. You just need to pick and choose and word your questions so you get the info you need. "Restoration" has as many definitions, and the restored side of the hobby has far too many "experts". A comment of "Nice car!" vs, " You know that is wrong, Ford didn't do that, and that isn't right." can be a big turn off for a lot of people. Read the original posts, and try to understane what level of "Restoration" the vehicle is to recieve before jumping down the guys neck. Bob

zzlegend · 02-08-2013, 09:42 AM

Poor old Ryan B. just came here to ask a question about his Model A, and look what happened. Its still a Model A. Why dont people just help the guy out that have done this instead of bringing up the Hamb? Everyone on here that has Hydraulic Brakes on your Model A please raise your hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alot of good information on here Ryan B. You just have to get past the few whiners.

02-08-2013, 12:56 AM	#1
Jordan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ft. Worth Posts: 1,008	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. I've realized that in life, you have to practice what they taught us in sunday school as a kids. You have to be accepting of everyone from different walks of life, because nobody is the same. Judging & condemning people is going to get you nowhere. __________________ Cowtown A's

02-08-2013, 08:46 AM	#2
Aok Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tx Posts: 502	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. If it were me I would I post my juice brakes and other modified related questions on the Hamb and all the stock questions here. If for no other reason that there is more knowledge on modified vehicles on the Hamb as more people have done in so better feedback. I personally do not care what you post if not interested I just move on to another post.

02-09-2013, 08:04 AM	#3
springerpete Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Central Maine Posts: 681	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. I think what needs to be done now is A) If your weather is bad, go out to your garage and do something A'ish and breath the fresh air. or B) If your weather is good, go out to your garage and start 'er up and go for a drive and breath the fresh air. Relax, enjoy .

02-08-2013, 02:06 AM	#4
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. I tried the hamb, but found it irritating. Old posts about 100 pages long that are just added and added to and all makes of car, of which I have no interest in. I asked Ryan if he could start a model T and model A HOT ROD (only ) forum. He said NO.... If I had the knowledge I would make one. I am into stock bodied model A/s but something can that be driven safely at highway speeds, and NOT being told that a good model A will do 65 MPH flat out....huh?, at absolute flat out 65 MPH speeds all day, you will blow the crank out on the road and still be run over by trucks . Not as much fun as a nice stock looking rod cruising effortlessly at 80 MPH. I also have an original phaeton and an original pickup, so know what is best for me. I know I will get jumped on here as the OP is by some, but if you in live in a glass house, you should not throw stones with your Mitchell overdrives, your HC heads, your inserted bearings, your F100 steering boxes, your float motor engine mounts, etc etc etc....the list of non-stock here is a long one..... I hang about here, because the hamb does not satisfy my need for knowledge on stock model A bodies and chassis over there.

02-08-2013, 02:28 AM	#5
700rpm Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 6,039	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. "This is a site for stock restoration fellas. We are purists. Case closed." How can there be any questions? If the owner of the site states the rules as unequivocally as that, we should respect them. We are guests here. He didn't condemn anyone; he simply and clearly stated the rules. __________________ Ray Horton, Portland, OR As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.

02-08-2013, 04:53 AM	#9
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,610	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. Sad to say, Mike has it spot on. See https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showpo...8&postcount=30 active link which should bring you directly to it. But let us define inhale. After that let us define "purist." Without further direction from the driver, perhaps we who are less than pure can hang onto the running boards? I hope so. It's been a fun ride so far. Um, driver, watch for the stop sign up ahead? (He says pointing) Maybe like that other board I inhabit, we can have a "prefix" which kind of gives a heads up to what the post might contain? Perhaps a "fine point" prefix, a Touring Class prefix, a Safety prefix, a vintage hot rod prefix, a "outta this world" prefix for those whose money or ambition can't be contained. If you don't want to see anything in these areas - don't click! Life is simple when you have choices - and you know what you want. Meanwhile, don't expect me to remove my stainless steel spark and accelerator rods. It was heartbreaking enough when the chrome wore through after three years and the rods started rusting. I just can't handle that kind of disappointment again! Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

02-08-2013, 02:44 AM	#10
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida between Sarasota and TampaSouth Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. RyanB I sent you a PM. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

02-08-2013, 06:14 AM	#11
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida between Sarasota and TampaSouth Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. I see it this way, when you drive on the road there are certain rules to follow, speed limits, stop signs, traffic light, no U turn, school zone and on and on. Some people follow these to the letter, driving at speed 35 miles an hour no matter how long the line is behind them. Others push the limits, they drive 5, 6 miles over the limit, maybe roll through a stop sign, make a right on red. And still others figure if I don't see them all bets are off. When a person is stopped they say, the speed limit is too slow, the stop sign had a bush in front, the guy in front of me did it why stop me, everybody does it. But does any of that change the fact that the driver was in the wrong? Is it the policing agency fault that the meter just ran out, or there was no parking spaces? Some days you get away with it some days not. It's the same here on this site. Post what you want, when the policing agency stops you, you know you have gone to far and now you know the limits thats all. Your not going to jail, you don't have to pay a fine. Oh well I goofed and life goes on. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

02-08-2013, 07:19 AM	#12
Kevin in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South East NJ Posts: 3,398	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. This is a site for information. You also have to understand there is a difference between being a purist and doing the job right. My main argument is the Model A suffers from too much mis-information. It is not hard to arrive at the conclusion, by listening to people at shows, comments in the club magazines, and comments here on the board that the original A was not very reliable and needs all kinds of modifications. In fact, one year at Hershey, I listened to well known company selling alternators and came away wondering how the A survived 2 days from the factory with a generator. Most people believe the Model A is only good to 45 MPH. For good reasons sadly, most do not know that Ford designed the the A to run 60 MPH and can run safely and comfortably run 55 all day long- from the factory. Because of poor restoration techniques because of a lot of bad information or just a lack of desire to do the job right most cars are run only up to 45 MPH. Quite frankly most of the cars that are good to 45 MPH I feel are not safe past 30. SO my point.. When someone comes on and says I am converting to safer juice brakes. When some comes and says I need to convert to an alternator cause gen cant put out enough. When someone comes on and claims they have put on a float a motor. When someone comes on and claims they need new steering box cause the old one wont work. When someone comes on and wants to change to modern points because you can not get the old types on the road. Well these are people that do not understand something about their cars. Someone should take the time to explain that their reasons are not sound in why they want to make a change. At some point we need to educate people about their car and how they were designed to be built. If we do not then 50 years from now two things can happen. We have almost no original Model A systems and we lose the knowledge on how to properly bring the original parts back to factory specifications. NOW please keep in mind I am not advocating purism with our cars. I am advocating education and understanding, not the lemmings leap to all modern parts cause the old stuff can not work. Clearly people are doing different things with their cars and there are times when some changes make sense. But do you think blind changes because everyone else is doing it a good reason? As it turns out, if you take the time to properly restore the factory mechanical tolerances to the A you end up with a very reliable car. A car that should only need lubrication and occasional adjustments over a 40 year period with mild driving. Keep in mind this does not mean you have to have the exact correct for the month of build parts. I know my chassis is a mix of parts, but they are all pretty close to factory and hopefully I did not screw up too much. Building the A back to factory is almost like building a race car. Last edited by Kevin in NJ; 02-08-2013 at 08:16 AM.

02-08-2013, 08:19 AM	#13
Ryan Administrator Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 681	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. This site should, in fact, focus on the stock and pure restoration. And we try to... However, there are sidebars... And I'm fine with that. So long as these sidebars don't run off the purists. That's all... RyanB, you are all good man. Don't sweat it. __________________ Ryan Cochran* - www.AtomicIndustry.com

02-08-2013, 08:37 AM	#14
ScottNW/Ohio Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Convoy, Ohio Posts: 124	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. It's all good, we're all about safety, reliability, and originality here. Just be carefull about questions about putting in a small block and mustang II front end - that's when things can go off the rails here We're glad to help, honest

02-08-2013, 08:44 AM	#17
amodel25 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Crowley, TX Posts: 328	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. I have an oil filter and an alternator (6v pos ground).........should I leave????

02-08-2013, 09:22 AM	#18
newshirt Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 868	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. I lurked on this forum for a few months before buying my Model A. And for another year after, I was secure in the knowledge that Model A's came from the factory with hydraulic brakes, 16" tires, and alternators. I thank the nutty purists for finally persuading me. Don't push them out! __________________ Ray White

02-08-2013, 09:37 AM	#19
Roadster62 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ridgefield, Ct Posts: 3,449	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. Both The Ford Barn and the HAMB are great sites, filled with information to keep old Ford projects moving along. You just need to pick and choose and word your questions so you get the info you need. "Restoration" has as many definitions, and the restored side of the hobby has far too many "experts". A comment of "Nice car!" vs, " You know that is wrong, Ford didn't do that, and that isn't right." can be a big turn off for a lot of people. Read the original posts, and try to understane what level of "Restoration" the vehicle is to recieve before jumping down the guys neck. Bob __________________ They don't have to run to be enjoyed. I'm here to enjoy the hobby, and enjoy the cars no matter what they look like. Most of the worlds problems are electrical. Last edited by Roadster62; 02-08-2013 at 08:54 PM.

02-08-2013, 09:42 AM	#20
zzlegend Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Reseda, Calif. Posts: 2,191	Re: This is a site for stock restoration. Poor old Ryan B. just came here to ask a question about his Model A, and look what happened. Its still a Model A. Why dont people just help the guy out that have done this instead of bringing up the Hamb? Everyone on here that has Hydraulic Brakes on your Model A please raise your hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alot of good information on here Ryan B. You just have to get past the few whiners.