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11-09-2017, 04:02 PM | #41 |
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Re: E code Air cleaner housing
Oldmics, Thanks you. I had my brother build it for my '30 coupe. it is a bored and stroked 292 , now displacing 313 C.I. has a 312 crank with 312 rods modified for the 292 block, 292 pistons, a mild Howard cam, ( needed to be compatible with my C-4 auto ) the rockers are Harlan & Sharps from Ted Eaton. The heads are not the best, but were all we had at the time, they are C1TE , they have been milled, but don't remember how much off-hand --do not have the build sheet handy. They have much larger valves and have been ported and polished. my brother is a machinist, and we hope to run the eng. on the dyno where he works when it is finally finished. it is close just a few minor things to do, but we keep jumping from one project to another, as parts and time become available. we are hopeing for about 300 HP. I would like to swap the 272 in the coupe out for this eng. sometime this winter if my health ( long story ) and time allow it. the rods in the engine are the ones I bought from you a while back, Thanks for giving me a fair price on them, they are non-existent up here.
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11-09-2017, 04:07 PM | #42 |
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Oldmics, I envy all you guys in the lower 48 states. with all the swap meets, and craig's lists, there has to be tons of opportunities to find stuff like that 2x4 set-up and tons of other neat stuff. I think I am turning green
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11-09-2017, 04:40 PM | #43 |
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Re: E code Air cleaner housing / M260
THOSE ARE THEY!
I have the M260 Service Letter somewhere. Those are Helling and Stelling (pretty sure) as they were popular back in the day. The ones I showed previously were 427 COBRA..
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11-15-2017, 03:33 AM | #44 |
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Here they (air cleaners) are again-
Some more eye candy...
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11-15-2017, 02:04 PM | #45 |
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I sure do admire that chrome oval air cleaner. I think it is the best one of the 2x4 teapot air cleaners, although it may not be the best breathing one, it does look a little restrictive, but I may be wrong. I just know that I really like the looks of it.
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11-16-2017, 05:37 PM | #46 |
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I just came across them while Carousing With My Browser ...
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11-16-2017, 06:57 PM | #47 |
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I have seen pictures of them both ways, but I suspect you are right, and that they probably were argent from the factory
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11-16-2017, 08:07 PM | #49 |
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Chrome, argent, re-pop, original (out of my price range).... wouldn't really care. That air cleaner is pretty!! JMHO
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Found it while sorting through stuff-
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http://www.portholeauthority.com/thu...ch/engine.html A photo of a '56 Bird with a 2x4 setup, taken on the side of the road in the desert west of Yuma Arizona, when it started leaking transmission fluid. Last edited by dmsfrr; 11-24-2017 at 11:13 PM. |
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11-24-2017, 06:56 PM | #52 |
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Not 100 % sure about that one. The chart shows the '56 312 P code with 2x4 carbs as 225 HP. That's the same HP that the single 4 barrel 312 had in '56. The picture appears to have the Edelbrock 2x4 intake (as used on the M260 kit) possibly, since the vacuum for the power brakes is in the center of the intake. The '57 2x4 intake wasn't tapped for vacuum. would be interesting to know the carb numbers. Probably the same as the M260 carbs.
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The M 260 was MERCURY dedicated (Service Letter Shown In Above Post). FORD's dedicated description was POWER-PACK in 1956 for 8V. Now to add to the confusion, MERC decided to not use the HOLLEY 4000 for the 56 model run (312 4V) and used the WCFB instead (what did they use for a distributor?). I have several shots of M 260 installs that show CARTER carbs. FORD used 4000's. I am fairly certain MERC had their intake (M 260) cast outside (EDEL - MOON - BUDDY BAR possibly?). Usually, when a intake manifold shows an Engineering Basic Part No 9424, it indicates outside source whereas 9425 indicates a FORD casting (came to realize this on 1960 352CI-360HP alum intake). EDIT- The 1956 MERC M 260 intake (ECZ- 9424-C) is supposedly based on the EDEL FM-255 intake of the period. Here is a reference to the 1956 FORD 312 8V POWER PACK kit- https://www.ctci.org/gilsgarage/19568VOption.php
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Well I"ll start with dmsfrr photo of the 56 setup.
The intent for the Ford Power Pack was as a race package for the roundy roundy lads. The hardware was designed for use in vehicles with standard shift trannys only. There was no kickdown rod or automatic bell crank made for use on either the Mercury M 260 kit or the Ford 260 Power Pack to accomidate an automatic transmission. Therefore that pretty blue 56 never had that kit originally. The vaccum signal supplied for the power brakes on the blue Bird is tapped from a pipe off of the front carburator accessing manifold vaccum. The blue Bird has an original Ford dual quad manifold as the Edelbrock did not have the correct carb spacing to fit that oval air cleaner on top. Onwards to Kultulz"s We have gone around on this topic previously I am only going to stay with factory documented items - such as the M 260 using the Holly carbs and not Carters. A look at your posted Mercury M 260 parts list confirms the use of the two Hollys (EDB-9510-C) There a many pictures of the M 260 manifold sporting the Carter carbs and yes I agree the racers probably did try the Carters BUT the Mercury factory documentation specs Hollys. Merc did use BOTH Carter and Holly carbs for the 1956 - 312 engines. I have factory documentation of this fact in the form of Mercury TSB #37 dated 4/6/56 Merc also used that shitty Load "O" Matic distributor for the 56 model year. The M 260 manifold is a clone of the Edelbrock unit. I have a conversation with Ed Iskenderian that I recorded. He speaks of the cams he was grinding at the time for Edelbrock who was sending the M 260 cams and manifolds parts back east to the race teams. I find your observation on the manifold numbers interesting. You certainly have a much broader Ford knowledge base than I do. However Ford themselves did produce both the 1956 - 9425 manifold as well as the 1957 - 9424 manifolds. So I"m not sure if that statement would be true generalisation. I recently sold an original Ford 260 Power Pack kit that was N.O.S. I acquired it mostly to obtain the knowledge on the camshaft that I cam doctored for the results. Also discovered the way the distributor advance was preformed and limited for that race kit. I would assume the distributor info would be pertinate to the Merc M 260 setup also. Oldmics Last edited by Oldmics; 11-24-2017 at 11:51 PM. |
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Bill Stroppe was working with MERC DIV and most of their performance parts were developed by him (or with his input) including the M 335 and MEL 3 X 2. So MERC went on a slightly different path. Quote:
OK, I am sure you photographed and documented the kit. What is it going to cost to acquire that information? BTW- I spent about twenty years in dealership parts rooms and service and did learn a lot most don't take the time to learn. I was also a Saturday morning junk yard aficionado. I am and was always a FORD nut (certified).
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So keep your hopes up. I am pretty sure this is what is going on ...
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There were two ratings on the 312 4V, one for STD TRANS and the other (higher) for the AT. I am a$$-u-me(ing) the higher HP (cam change) was to have the two cars have the same basic performance levels as the AT drew a lot of HP. As for Power Brakes, the kit installed in the 57 FORD would most likely had manual brakes and a STD trans so no need for TV linkage or manifold vacuum source.
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I am editing and posting this article for further clarification on the 1956 8V POWER-PACK KIT-
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SOURCE- https://www.ctci.org/gilsgarage/19568VOption.php And as has been previously mentioned, the main reason for the release was to make it NASCAR legal in all probability and to make the parts available for NASCAR teams..
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Much cheaper (and easier) to farm out. Even more, the aftermarket intake fabricators would have much more flow knowledge/experience than FORD ENGINEERING at the time as also shown for their dependency on ISKY. I learned many years ago to never say never regarding FOMOCO...
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I find all of the above very interesting. Things were sure moving fast in the 50's to the mid 70's.
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