Detergent oil

[Kevin in NJ]

Here is a link to an oil and grease guy who makes old style oil products.

http://steamenginelube.com/lubeuse.html

You can go around his page and learn about the U-joint grease that was specified for the A.

[FRANK PKNY]

Don't use synthetic oil ! It will leak from every part that leads to the outside. It's far to slippery for your antique engine to handle. Regular Rotella oil 20w-50 is just fine or any diesel oil will be just fine. It can sit for years, but any oil while sitting will just migrate into the pan, that's why it's best when sitting for a long time to pre-lube through the distributer shaft. I run MMO in my fuel on all older engines, have done so for many years and swear by this practice. Some frown at this, but I have never had a valve problem. One of my friends has a Ford 9n tractor, the valves hung up from the modern type gas, I freed them up and got him started on MMO and he has not had any problems with the valves in the last five years. JMHO
When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it” - Henry Ford

[Mr. J]

Another diesel oil I can vouch for is delo, I may use rotella because it is better suited for my line of work and conditions, but my brother runs delo in his 6.0 powerstroke and his dump truck for the simple fact that it doesn't create as much stiction in the high pressure oil pump in the injection system on the powerstroke in fact caterpillar uses delo oil for their hui injection system which runs under the basic principals it might say cat on the can but it's delo inside

[H. L. Chauvin]

Bit of Financial Advice:

If any Model A guy ever looks on the NY Stock Exchange and sees a new company listing. e.g.,

"Model A OiL - Exclusively Designed for Model A's"

Pass it up ..... nobody on this Model A Forum will buy this crap.

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by H. L. Chauvin

Bit of Financial Advice:

If any Model A guy ever looks on the NY Stock Exchange and sees a new company listing. e.g.,

"Model A OiL - Exclusively Designed for Model A's"

Pass it up ..... nobody on this Model A Forum will buy this crap.

I disagree, as often as this comes up and given all the different recommendations, a whole lot of people would buy it.

[Kevin in NJ]

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Here is a question..

Who knows of any recent engine that has had issues with dirt causing pre-mature wear and failure?

Who knows of any recent engine that has failed because the oil went bad?

So far I have never heard of any, modern or old normal engines that may have failed because the oil failed or too much dirt caused it to fail. Of course, I want to hear some science to back up the diagnosis, not 'it must have been the oil'.

All the A engines that I have seen failed have been because something was built wrong or it was just plum wore out from tens of thousands of miles.

You all just worry too much about stuff that makes no sense. The car does not need filters. It does not need fancy nothing. It just needs loving care in the building and it you can run it regularly and it is ready to run the next day, for decades!! You do not need to baby it either. If it is balanced right the engine will be happy run.

How do I know this?

I have listen carefully to the guys who have run for tens of thousands of miles. They have tried everything and the common thread with these guys is they know Fords original specs and the build to them. They do not bother with all the speed stuff (they all have tried it), some have counter balanced cranks and some have overdrives. They all think nothing of running 55 MPH all day long.

Quit worrying about he oil.
Use something with additives, do not change it too often, go drive.

[Gaspumpsam]

Kevin in NJ
Very well said!!!

[Railcarmover]

No argument over the simplicity and robust characteristics of the car in stock form,and I agree spending thousands of dollars chasing speed from an L head 4 cylinder 200 cubic inch engine is at best a lesson on disappointment. But I do see modern oil as a way of improving the chances of what you have lasting longer,oil and air filtration are proven to extend engine life.


I see the full flow as the answer as well Y Block...just wonder if flow and pressure should be improved before adding the restriction of a filter.

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by Railcarmover

I see the full flow as the answer as well Y Block...just wonder if flow and pressure should be improved before adding the restriction of a filter.

I believe the stock Model A oil pump, being a positive displacement pump, is more than capable of putting out more than enough pressure to overcome the restriction of an oil filter. The reason a stock Model A without filter has low oil pressure is the pump is pumping into a open space, the valve chamber, without any back pressure.

We sure have traveled far from the original question...

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by Kevin in NJ

Here is a question..

Who knows of any recent engine that has had issues with dirt causing pre-mature wear and failure?

Who knows of any recent engine that has failed because the oil went bad?

So far I have never heard of any, modern or old normal engines that may have failed because the oil failed or too much dirt caused it to fail. Of course, I want to hear some science to back up the diagnosis, not 'it must have been the oil'.

Don't know but I have seen (and heard) many more modern cars running like crap because of stuck hydraulic lifters... could it have been caused by dirt and varnish??

[SeaSlugs]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

Don't know but I have seen (and heard) many more modern cars running like crap because of stuck hydraulic lifters... could it have been caused by dirt and varnish??

Were they stuck or collapsed? I'm thinking the later. GM lifters love to leak down in the night so they need to be pumped back up the first few miles of running in the morning. Sounds like a box of rocks in a garbage disposal chatter. Fords from my experience are the other way and collapse once the oil thins out. Both problems caused by seals that are worn out.

[40 Deluxe]

Originally Posted by SeaSlugs

Were they stuck or collapsed? I'm thinking the later. GM lifters love to leak down in the night so they need to be pumped back up the first few miles of running in the morning. Sounds like a box of rocks in a garbage disposal chatter. Fords from my experience are the other way and collapse once the oil thins out. Both problems caused by seals that are worn out.

Didn't know there are seals in hydraulic lifters!

[SeaSlugs]

Originally Posted by 40 Deluxe

Didn't know there are seals in hydraulic lifters!

thats what make them hydraulic - tappets or solid lifters are just that. no cushioning effect and thus must adjust valves and worry about zinc levels in modern engines (jeeps 4.0 straight 6 for example)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lorANZ1Tptw

crude but shows how a hyd lifter works - some have seals some are extreme tight machining processes that act as a seal but wear increases the gap with time so as oil heats up it sounds like box o rocks cuz no pressure. but yes they can get stuck (generally from too much wear and parts bind) but from what ive seen and experienced they usually are worn out/leaky.

[Railcarmover]

Originally Posted by 40 Deluxe

Didn't know there are seals in hydraulic lifters!

me neither

[H. L. Chauvin]

Model A oil appears to be like personal liquor choices where some like white wine; some red; some dark beer; some light beer; some scotch, some bourbon; some gin; some vodka; some no alcohol.

Next comes the mix & additives; One shot, two shots plus MMO, stabilizers, and other additives.

Model A owners will always have different mindsets and different choices where one (1) oil will never corner the market no matter who prepares the marketing.

A bar that sells only gin will also go broke in a hurry.

[WHN]

Originally Posted by H. L. Chauvin

Model A oil appears to be like personal liquor choices where some like white wine; some red; some dark beer; some light beer; some scotch, some bourbon; some gin; some vodka; some no alcohol.

Next comes the mix & additives; One shot, two shots plus MMO, stabilizers, and other additives.

Model A owners will always have different mindsets and different choices where one (1) oil will never corner the market no matter who prepares the marketing.

A bar that sells only gin will also go broke in a hurry.

Very well put. I do however like my gas with MMO. I don't drink.

[H. L. Chauvin]

Did anyone notice that of all the different oils discussed on Model A Forums over the past 20 years, nobody ever mentioned Croton Oil, a Detergent Oil that was still being sold in drug stores during Model A days.

I used to hear the old people, (born in the late 1800's), talk about a person in our neighborhood who placed one drop of Croton Oil in the Punch Bowl at a Dance Party.

The Party was over in minutes ...... when discussing detergent oil, Croton Oil was real Detergent Oil.

[H. L. Chauvin]

Are we really slipping that much with just a little over 2,000 viewers for this round of Detergent Oil?

Some times back the subject "Oil Change" hit over 14,000.

White Wall Tires might still be in the lead .... they topped 15,000 viewers.

"Air filters" & "MMO" did not do bad either.

[Railcarmover]

I agree,not much new to talk about involving the car..how about the Rouge? Why I heard they went through 3000 mops a month...that two men were employed just to fix mop buckets..