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10-27-2021, 07:13 AM | #1 |
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I realize that this topic has been covered before but I need it revisited----------How many quarts does a 1954 Fordomatic trans take with convertor and also without ? Thanks for any input .
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This should answer the question:
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...mission+gasket 51-54 = 9 to 9 3/4 qts 55 - 10 1/4 qts 55 Turbo Drive = 10 qts. When I changed my fluid on my 53' Mer-O-Matic I got approx 2 cups out of the converter. The car sat over night, so if you are doing it hot you might get more. I do recommend, doing it cold, as it is very messy and the hot fluid is not fun to deal with, but that is your choice. |
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The '56 Ford-o-matic shop manual says 5 quarts. But I found another source that says 19 pints. That is equivalent to about 4-3/4 quarts, right? Use Mercon fluid).
I am more comfortable with 4-3/4 quarts, since this raises the level of fluid right at the center between the marks on the dipstick. Keeping the fluid level here, I have never had any fluid blowing out or blowing seals and the transmission operates properly. Check fluid level by running engine at idle with gear select level in neutral and fill to in-between the markings on the dipstick. If you have completely drained fluid and are filling it from dry, idle the engine with foot on the brake and run through all gears first P-R-N-D-L, then shift back into neutral to check fluid level at the dipstick. Last edited by Daves55Sedan; 10-27-2021 at 06:14 PM. |
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For the OP, I found Type A at NAPA. That is the flavor of ATF called for in the service manual. I started out with a full case. Because I also used some in the power steering and some was lost I can't tell you how many qts it took to fill my transmission. I kept adding a bit at a time after the initial 8 qts until it was at the proper level.
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How does transmission fluid get out dated?
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https://go4trans.com/technical-trans...mission-fluid/
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That's an interesting read considering other sources say oils and fluids have no expiration. And how does that jive with my wife's last minivan, a Toyota, her current mini van, a Chrysler both of which have no fill port (dipstick) and no manufacture's service interval? My 2019 Ram also doesn't have a service requirement for the transmission fluid. It does not have a dipstick either, thus no fill port.
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The modern hydraulic fluids for use with automatic transmissions have been changing a lot and have different characteristics to fulfill the mfr's specifications of the trans mfr. They may not want you to buy the wrong fluid at the auto parts store which might not perform to the requirements of your transmission. I am sure that your owners manual does include a variety of scheduled services for different components of your vehicle which they recommend be performed at the dealer for a premium $$$. My 2007 Ford F150 pickup with AOD does have both a dipstick and fill port and does tell the exact type of transmission fluid to use (Mercon V). Interestingly enough, when the truck had been run 50K miles, I started having trouble with the transmission. I took it to the shop, thinking it was something major. All it needed was a fluid change and it was good as new. I was astonished. I have been driving my '55 Ford Fairlane with Fordomatic daily and haven't changed the fluid (Dextron/Mercon) for 20 years and never had a problem. That's well over 200K miles. |
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If you do find type A ATF nowadays, it is not the same blend as the original type A which used whale oil as it's lubricating property. Yes you can sometimes find it in farm supply stores too.
I would recommend that before buying, you compare the ingredients with the specifications of the original blend if you can find them on the internet. |
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As I stated the owners manuals of the minivans or my 2019 Ram do not show any service criteria for the transmissions. Perhaps it is planned obsolescence, or perhaps the filtration and quality of current transmission fluids has made scheduled drains obsolete. I guess I'll find out because I keep vehicles until the wheels fall off. My '97 Dodge has 1.4 million on it, I customized my '67 Chev 30 years ago and still have it and I believe the computers in the Ram will fail long before the transmission does. The '67 has a turbo 350 in it that hasn't had an oil and filter change in 20 years.
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Also, I apologize if I come off as contrary or argumentative. I have always questioned "why". Some things just don't make sense. How does a bottle of oil on a shelf lose it's properties? Why, in the 60 years I've been driving and turning wrenches, haven't I ever heard of oil or transmission fluid being out of date? I know why filters can go out of date so I don't buy them in bulk like I do oil. Puzzling.
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So far I've lived through type A, F, CJ, type H,
Mercon 4, 5 ,XP. I have 5 different type of antifreeze in the garage to cover DD. Tired of all the changes and fits all don't work in fit's all. Anyway everything here living off of type F and green antifreeze. |
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My 2007 F150 says NOT to mix with other types. They may be saying that just so you'll buy their Motorcraft brand. But when I went looking at the chain auto parts store, they had both the proper type Motorcraft brand ATF and anti-freeze on the shelf, so it made my decision easy. I'm still opposed to using type F fluid in my Fordomatic. I never heard it being recommended for Fordomatics by any transmission shop or other technical source, and heard too many complaints about hard shifting. Yes, I hate having to use different type of fluids, but at least I have two cars that use the same and have zillions of interchangeable parts. |
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Mid-1956 production saw the intro of the coolant cooled V8 trans so the refill amounts should be different for an air-cooled vs coolant cooled transmission. Note PRINT DATE (QTR) of 1956 OWNERS MANUAL. Last edited by KULTULZ; 10-30-2021 at 05:24 PM. Reason: SPELLING - GRAMMAR |
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Is this the stuff you got at NAPA? It's called TYPE-FA These are the recomendations on the website. They have the TypeF of course. They do have another one that is A-Type (full synthetic) and it says it is not recomended for type F style transmissions. It's made by Lucas.
So what did they sell you? By the way, the "buyers guide" on the NAPA website list all kinds of applications for the use of FA. It lists Fairlane 500 1957 - 1970. My car is a 1957. ******************* NAPA Type F is a transmission fluid specifically engineered to protect and prolong the life of automatic transmissions. It is designed for use where Ford specifications M2C33-F, M2C33-G and Ford Type F fluids are recommended. Other applications include air compressors, general purpose hydraulics and power steering system. Provides excellent resistance against clutch slippage for extended transmission life Provides excellent resistance to fluid oxidation/breakdown at high temperatures Approved for 1980 and earlier Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles Approved for use in Mazda, Saab, Toyota, Volvo and other Japanese and European vehicles requiring a Type F fluid Last edited by Gene F; 10-30-2021 at 04:42 PM. |
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The type A I bought from NAPA is made by Pure Guard part #P024 Made in the USA.
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There is no FORD SPECIFIED FA ATF. It is an aftermarket term. Unless the fluid container displays the manufacturers license no. (FORD-GM-MOPAR) (to show blending compliance) , it is not factory approved, period. ************************************************** *********** And the CAPT. AHAB - MOBY DICK SYNDROME has to be forgotten as whale oil was (is) not compatible with modern (1967- ) transmissions. DESCRIPTIVE ARTICLE CONCERNING WHALE OIL USAGE - http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/725.cfm Last edited by KULTULZ; 10-30-2021 at 07:11 PM. Reason: ADD INFO |
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Kultulz, what EXACTLY do you use, and where do you get it?
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My sister was a chemist at a small oil company that supplied different type lubricants to shops and manufacturers in the metro Detroit area. She received a call one time that a cutting oil they supplied didn't work like it should. When she talked to the foreman he said "this new stuff is blue and doesn't work like the old red stuff". No problem. She had a batch made up the same way and just added a dye to make it red. Guy called back and said it works great now.
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It was most likely EXXON (ESSO) as if you used it the red dye would spit out of the bowl vents and make the top of the carb red.
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They are subject to frequent oil analysis, filter changes and make-up oil keeps the detergent/dispersant packages good. To me, it is a lot cheaper to frequent quality oil/filter changes (especially today's engines) rather that pay repair/replacement costs. |
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What was being described in the discussion above was HEAVY DIESEL and fleets use that method to save $$$. If an engine or two fails, it is absorbed into operating costs. Is your vehicle gas or light diesel? BTW - Good thought on filter change with extended drain intervals ... |
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OK. IMO spending $50 every 15,000 miles costs less than spending $115 every 5000 to 6000 miles.
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Mine is a medium duty diesel, 5.9 Cummins.
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Most modern motor oil has the microscopic polymer plastic added to it so that is will have more viscosity hot that it will when cold. That stuff wears out withing about 3000 miles. Comparing motor lubricants to ATF is not a good idea. Motors make combustion byproducts and transmissions don't.
Transmissions rely on clutch plates and bands to hold against torque so the fluid is made to aid in achieving that goal as well as lubricate bearing surfaces and valves. Clutch plates have evolved a lot over the years. Ford started out with bronze on steel for friction and slowly evolved to composite linings on steel. Most ATF products have friction modifiers to ease the lock up of friction surfaces and make the shift softer and less harsh. Ford Type F has no friction modifiers to speak of and makes for harder and possibly more harsh friction lock up. Ford wanted to make sure that there older designs than still used metal on metal friction lock up would not slip much. Slippage ruins these types of friction plates fairly quick. Racers like fast and hard shifts so type F is still used for that purpose as well. Last edited by rotorwrench; 11-02-2021 at 08:15 AM. |
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Rotorwrench makes a good point. If I may add... In the ATF world I always heard that the Type-F formula was more gripppy, and the new formulas were more slippery BY FAR.
I have been told that when selecting lubricants you should go in this order: 1 select a formula (when in doubt ask the MFG) 2 viscosity 3 a brand you trust 4 consider price It seems that most people work this list backwards. I know my Dad always did! LOL LOL LOL |
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Just installed a new Y block in my father's 1956 F-100 with a Fordomatic transmission. Overhauled the transmission while it was out. What is the transmission oil capacity? We had added an auxiliary cooler, so will start with recommended amount, and and part litres afterwards. Thanks in advance
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Why I keep doing this is beyond me ... just keep asking for it.
ALL lubricants have a shelf life, those lubricants for late applications being more critical. Quote:
Late trans are sealed for a reason, they are electronic. Solenoids are subject to damage if exposed to outside air. The manufacturer(s) does not want the owner to be pulling a stick exposing the trans to air and dirt while under drive-train warranty. Fluid level and quality can be checked by other methods. You use the manufacturers called-out fluid (or it's correctly called out replacement) that the manufacturer calls for or if rebuilt, what the kit manufacture calls for (and get that in writing). There is no multi-vehicle motor oil/ATF/coolant and there is no 20,000 mile oil change. BTW - Plastic containers are porous. Over time, atmosphere will enter the sealed bottle. You open a container of brake fluid, not use all of it and sit it on the shelf, it is compromised. When you shop parts or lubricants, you choose the recommended quality replacement. Then you shop price.
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Only in your mind. Prestone makes an anti-freeze that is compatible with all colors. My pickup, which used to average about 75,000 miles a year, has been on a 30,000 mile oil change schedule with 15,000 mile filter changes for 7 years. I used to believe the blarney about extended oil drains, then I started getting my oil analyzed. I found that most of us pour perfectly good oil into the recycle barrel. It is the oil companies that benefit, not our engines.
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I began in 1966. There is no ... ??? ... well let me clarify that ... there are MULTI-VEHICLE COOLANTS ... but their being compatible with or as a replacement, no, especially with today's tech.. Will PRESTONE offer a repair policy if the system fails because of incorrect coolant usage? Try and collect on that one. What one does with his/her/it/mutant car is not the debate here. People pick this stuff up and run with it and once experiences failure(s) beyond DRIVE-TRAIN WARRANTY cry about the car manufacturer.
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It isn't 1966 anymore. I note you don't have anything argumentative to say about extended oil drains.
To your question about Prestone, I doubt any anti-freeze will give a warranty any better than this. I'm ALSO wondering how many of the vintage cars on this forum are still under DRIVE-TRAIN WARRANTY. Prestone® MAX All Vehicles Antifreeze + Coolant P/N: AF2800 & AF2850 Prestone® MAX antifreeze + coolant is GUARANTEED to provide MAXIMUM ENGINE PROTECTION in all Vehicle Makes, Models & Years. Because Prestone’s patented, advanced formula: Provides Extreme Temperature Protection from the worst of winter deep freezes and scorching summer heat. Delivers Industry Leading Protection from engine damaging rust, corrosion & buildup. Use of ordinary antifreeze + coolant can lead to a rusted cooling system and expensive repairs. Prestone MAX stops the formation of rust & corrosion keeping your cooling system pristine clean for better engine performance and longer engine life. Is Guaranteed for the Life of Your Vehicle: 15+ years and/or 350,000 miles. Prestone MAX will work in your vehicle: It’s guaranteed to work in All Vehicle Makes, Models & Years with Gas or Diesel engines. It mixes and works with all antifreeze + coolant colors and formulations including OAT, POAT, HOAT & IAT; G05®, G11®, G12®, G12++®, G13®, G30®, G40®, & GG40®. And it will not void a vehicle warranty. Info Sheet *Fluid guaranteed for the life of your vehicle: This product is guaranteed for 15+ years/up to 350,000 miles of vehicle life under normal driving conditions when a complete cooling system flush and fill is performed, and proper cooling system maintenance is followed. Always follow vehicle owner’s manual for top off requirements, change intervals and specified maintenance. **Based on US DOT national avg. miles driven in 2019. The average number of miles driven in 2019 was 14,664 miles. 350,000 miles/14,664 miles per year = 23.9 years. Prestone.com or 1-888-269-0750 for all guarantee requirements and limitations †Against engine-damaging rust and corrosion vs. the top Branded All Vehicle and Vehicle Specific Antifreeze + Coolants sold in the US (assumes retail unit sales from September 2020 to August 2021 per NPD tracking data).
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Forgot to add. In 1966 I was on my way to Viet Nam as a professional helicopter tech. I probably had synthetic oil on my hands before you knew it existed.
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I fail to see exactly where PRESTONE shows how to file a claim.
MADISON AVENUE ADVERTISING doesn't get it. You still believe in SANTY CLAUS too? I BEGAN in a dealer in 1966. I've kept current. Yourself?
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That's OK. You seem to make continual consecutive posts like this. PTSD? Quote:
A PROFESSIONAL!?! Were you a PROFESSIONAL before or after getting drafted? They saw you coming didn't they? OH! That's VIETNAM unless you have a drawl.
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I expect there isn't any published procedure to file a claim against Motorcraft or ACDelco either. If there is I'm sure you have it on file.
I began before mechanics were called techs. Just the same as you, I was paid for my work. That made me a professional. Mechanics became techs about the same time garbage collectors became sanitation engineers. I wasn't drafted either. There is a segment of the population who voluntarily serve their country. My sons did and my grandson is currently on active duty. Oh ya, they saw me coming. I now collect a retirement check that more than pays the bills and have free medical and prescriptions for life, as does my wife. Those wings that are shown on my avatar are Army Master Aviator wings, the culmination of transitioning from "tech" to helicopter maintenance test pilot. I not only supervised the mechanics who serviced the aircraft, I test flew them to make sure the work was done correctly. I'm sure sorry I didn't spell Vietnam correctly. Can't blame it on PTSD. I don't have CDO to blame my faults on, so I guess I'll just have to plead ignorance.
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GLAmes,
Thanks for the update. I honestly haven't checked availability lately, since I serviced the trans, it has been working perfectly and I haven't had to add any fluid. Glad I bought a few extra. Three year, how time flys. |
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You guys are still going by LUBRICATION GUIDES from the 1950's? TYPE A was superseded in 1959. What you are buying marked as TYPE A now is not what you think it is. OK ... I have finally had enough. Stick a fork in me ... |
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