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Knoxville9 · 09-30-2014, 02:36 PM

Well as the good weather comes to an end here in PA I'm getting ready to tear down my 37 pickup and finish the odds and ends. Main objective is resealing the transmission (3 speed on the floor) It has what I believe is an output seal but I want to do everything with it. Also is there a carrier bearing at the back of the tranny or what is it? What in the drive line from the tranny to the differential could I replace? I want to make it last another 77 years!

So I guess what I'm asking is what do I need and where do you suggest I locate it at? Much appreciated!

Knoxville9 · 10-04-2014, 08:32 AM

Anyone ?????

Charlie ny · 10-04-2014, 09:10 AM

99,
Wipe the rear of the trans off nice and clean, then drive the truck for
25 miles. Now get back under it and see if the leak is coming from the cluster
gear and/or rev idler gear gear shaft area. The bores that hold these shafts do
get wallowed out and that is a guaranteed leak. Lest we forget the shafts them-
selves, if not genuine Ford, are usually as much as .0015 undersize. A tight fit is
all that keeps trans fluid from leaking here. I believe Mac Van Pelt has these shafts
and they are made to the correct diameter PLUS they feature 'O' ring grooves to
further insure leak proofing
Remember one thing....no matter how thick and syrupey your trans fluid is
when you pour it the trans it achieves the consistancey of kerosene after 10 or 15
miles.
There are front and rear ball bearings which have neoprene grease seals
which certainly go a long way to eliminate trans leaks in that area. Van Pelt I'm
pretty sure has these as well.
I build a bunch of early trans each year and Mac Van Pelt is my source
for parts that actually fit and perform as they should.
Charlie ny

TonyM · 10-04-2014, 09:13 AM

Is it leaking?

The clamshell at the back of the trans at the rear transmission mount where the torque tube connects has two gaskets and a cork seal. I replaced these after the trans was rebuilt and reinstalled.

Are these the pieces you are talking about? The first photo shows the clamshell and the old seal. The gaskets and seals are available from all the vintage V-8 Ford vendors.

Knoxville9 · 10-04-2014, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyM

Is it leaking?

The clamshell at the back of the trans at the rear transmission mount where the torque tube connects has two gaskets and a cork seal. I replaced these after the trans was rebuilt and reinstalled.

Are these the pieces you are talking about? The first photo shows the clamshell and the old seal. The gaskets and seals are available from all the vintage V-8 Ford vendors.

Yes that's what I was calling a carrier bearing for lack of knowledge I'm not sure. Where the leak is just yet though I know at that clamshell there is a lot of built of oil and dirt and that's where a lot of it is generally originating

Knoxville9 · 12-17-2014, 09:37 PM

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Well after several months of school I'm on my winter break and tearing into this beast. I have the floor out, I began reading an old old manual i have that covers many vehicles and it says that for me to remove my transmission that i have to pull the rear end to remove the torque tube. Is this absolutely necessary? or can i remove the clam shell and do it another way? Definitely need some insight!

Lawson Cox · 12-17-2014, 10:16 PM

Pull the rear end or engine. Your choice. Either way, not a fun job. Good luck and stay warm.

4tford · 12-17-2014, 10:19 PM

Before you dig into the trans, pick up a copy of this book from Mac Van Pelt. It will be a big help to you.

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...trans-book.htm

Talkwrench · 12-17-2014, 10:52 PM

Do as Charlie nY says just to see where the leak is. You can replace the cork seal without pulling the torque tube, even the thin paper gaskets can cut and put in , in a pinch. After all these years its very hard to keep them oil tight, never really meant that way as Charlie pointed out things like the shafts are a machine fit. the rear bearing in the trans is an open bearing and oil [in a small way] goes through and helps to supply the uni with lube. you can see how those thin paper gaskets can leak easy..

alanwoodieman · 12-17-2014, 11:25 PM

Fords don't leak-they just mark their territory. I would vote on the shafts leaking where they exit the case at rear. I cleaned these areas very good with brake cleaner and smeared a heavy coat of permatex # 2 on the area just to see if that what was causing the leak--they were--the permatex is still on the trans, doesn't look neat but will work until I pull trans for another reason

DD931 · 12-18-2014, 11:16 AM

I live in East Stroudsburg, PA. I'm fairly familiar with 37 pickups. If I can help send me a PM.

09-30-2014, 02:36 PM	#1
Knoxville9 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 23	1937 Pickup parts list help Well as the good weather comes to an end here in PA I'm getting ready to tear down my 37 pickup and finish the odds and ends. Main objective is resealing the transmission (3 speed on the floor) It has what I believe is an output seal but I want to do everything with it. Also is there a carrier bearing at the back of the tranny or what is it? What in the drive line from the tranny to the differential could I replace? I want to make it last another 77 years! So I guess what I'm asking is what do I need and where do you suggest I locate it at? Much appreciated!

10-04-2014, 08:32 AM	#2
Knoxville9 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 23	Re: 1937 Pickup parts list help Anyone ?????

10-04-2014, 09:10 AM	#3
Charlie ny BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,019	Re: 1937 Pickup parts list help 99, Wipe the rear of the trans off nice and clean, then drive the truck for 25 miles. Now get back under it and see if the leak is coming from the cluster gear and/or rev idler gear gear shaft area. The bores that hold these shafts do get wallowed out and that is a guaranteed leak. Lest we forget the shafts them- selves, if not genuine Ford, are usually as much as .0015 undersize. A tight fit is all that keeps trans fluid from leaking here. I believe Mac Van Pelt has these shafts and they are made to the correct diameter PLUS they feature 'O' ring grooves to further insure leak proofing Remember one thing....no matter how thick and syrupey your trans fluid is when you pour it the trans it achieves the consistancey of kerosene after 10 or 15 miles. There are front and rear ball bearings which have neoprene grease seals which certainly go a long way to eliminate trans leaks in that area. Van Pelt I'm pretty sure has these as well. I build a bunch of early trans each year and Mac Van Pelt is my source for parts that actually fit and perform as they should. Charlie ny

12-17-2014, 09:37 PM	#6
Knoxville9 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 23	Re: 1937 Pickup parts list help Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Well after several months of school I'm on my winter break and tearing into this beast. I have the floor out, I began reading an old old manual i have that covers many vehicles and it says that for me to remove my transmission that i have to pull the rear end to remove the torque tube. Is this absolutely necessary? or can i remove the clam shell and do it another way? Definitely need some insight!

12-17-2014, 10:16 PM	#7
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,082	Re: 1937 Pickup parts list help Pull the rear end or engine. Your choice. Either way, not a fun job. Good luck and stay warm. __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".

12-17-2014, 10:19 PM	#8
4tford Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Regina Canada Posts: 1,337	Re: 1937 Pickup parts list help Before you dig into the trans, pick up a copy of this book from Mac Van Pelt. It will be a big help to you. http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...trans-book.htm

12-17-2014, 10:52 PM	#9
Talkwrench Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 2,706	Re: 1937 Pickup parts list help Do as Charlie nY says just to see where the leak is. You can replace the cork seal without pulling the torque tube, even the thin paper gaskets can cut and put in , in a pinch. After all these years its very hard to keep them oil tight, never really meant that way as Charlie pointed out things like the shafts are a machine fit. the rear bearing in the trans is an open bearing and oil [in a small way] goes through and helps to supply the uni with lube. you can see how those thin paper gaskets can leak easy.. __________________ *"Came too close to dying to stop living now!"*

12-17-2014, 11:25 PM	#10
alanwoodieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: upstate SC Posts: 3,000	Re: 1937 Pickup parts list help Fords don't leak-they just mark their territory. I would vote on the shafts leaking where they exit the case at rear. I cleaned these areas very good with brake cleaner and smeared a heavy coat of permatex # 2 on the area just to see if that what was causing the leak--they were--the permatex is still on the trans, doesn't look neat but will work until I pull trans for another reason

12-18-2014, 11:16 AM	#11
DD931 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: PA Poconos Posts: 723	Re: 1937 Pickup parts list help I live in East Stroudsburg, PA. I'm fairly familiar with 37 pickups. If I can help send me a PM.