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Ken/Alabama · 03-01-2013, 11:14 AM

Seen the thread the other day on the safety hubs. Here are the ones Im planning on using on my Zephyr. Does anyone know why they wouldnt work with the bendix type brakes ?I believe they are superior to the ones being offered that hangs over the drum but to my knowledge no one is currently producing them. I have a pair of the current design that hangs over the drum on my 40 coupe. Not sure how good they work and I really dont want to try them out either

.But they are good piece of mind .

richard crow · 03-01-2013, 12:00 PM

they will work. just make a note that there on the car. if you don,t remove the retaining nuts you woun,t be able to get the drum off. they are being made again. if your useing bendix brakes on a ford rear you need this type or you can make the kind that go over the drum. there was a thread that showed a set made for the over the drum type on the barn a couple of months ago .the type you have are in my openion much beter

Ken/Alabama · 03-01-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by richard crow

they will work. just make a note that there on the car. if you don,t remove the retaining nuts you woun,t be able to get the drum off. they are being made again. if your useing bendix brakes on a ford rear you need this type or you can make the kind that go over the drum. there was a thread that showed a set made for the over the drum type on the barn a couple of months ago .the type you have are in my openion much beter

Hi Richard, Do you know who is making them ? I would like to have another pair.

Bruce Lancaster · 03-01-2013, 12:08 PM

Those are real 1950's hotrod parts...Speedway, I think, is or was reproducing them with aluminum castings.

19Fordy · 03-01-2013, 12:51 PM

I think that smaller ring has to be welded to the hub. Is that correct?

Bruce Lancaster · 03-01-2013, 01:01 PM

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Yes...big piece drops into place, ring goes on and is welded, then the thing gets welded on with space set for minimal movement if axle lets go.
Someone on the HAMB reported finding a streetrodder friend with a newly purchased '40 fighting with drums that just would not come off...the encounter was too late to save the brakes, which had already been ruined by the guy applying crowbars to his safety-hubbed drums!

Mart · 03-01-2013, 01:22 PM

Bruce, I don't think there is any further welding after the ring is welded to the hub. The whole shebang just gets bolted in place. I have only ever seen a magazine article years ago, and I seem to remember something like 4 half inch beads 90 degrees apart were judged to be sufficient.

Bear in mind the unit only has to hold things in place until the vehicle comes to a halt. Once the axle snaps you are going no further.

You have to make sure the studs in the unit are long enough to go through the radius arm and shock brackets.

Mart.

Enbloc · 03-01-2013, 01:25 PM

I understand the studs come through the backing plates and are then nutted, but what stops the casting and studs from moving around as it would only be fixed to stop movement one way?

Does it just "float" against the welded ring?

Bruce Lancaster · 03-01-2013, 01:31 PM

The ring is the only welding...the people I mentioned were having their little difficulty because they were unaware their new ride HAD safety hubs!
The studs are clamped securely in place in both directions, replacing the function of the two removed original fasteners... Note also the notches in casting to clear existing fasteners that remain. The casting itself doesn't do anything until the axle breaks, at which time it keeps the hubs very close to normal position.

19Fordy · 03-01-2013, 01:44 PM

Bruce, thank you for your excellent explanation. I can just imagine the frustration of trying to remove a stock drum - not knowing those safety hubs were being used.

hardtimes · 03-01-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

Yes...big piece drops into place, ring goes on and is welded, then the thing gets welded on with space set for minimal movement if axle lets go.
Someone on the HAMB reported finding a streetrodder friend with a newly purchased '40 fighting with drums that just would not come off...the encounter was too late to save the brakes, which had already been ruined by the guy applying crowbars to his safety-hubbed drums!

Yikes! Good to keep in mind! That could/would be a costly error.

Mart · 03-01-2013, 04:15 PM

Funny enough, a UK enthusiast had the same problem. I suggested he checked for this type of safety hub and lo and behold that is what he had.

Mart.

John R · 03-01-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

Someone on the HAMB reported finding a streetrodder friend with a newly purchased '40 fighting with drums that just would not come off...the encounter was too late to save the brakes, which had already been ruined by the guy applying crowbars to his safety-hubbed drums!

This story illustrates another reason for setting up your rear hub/drum combo so that the drum is not locked to the hub and can be removed separately. The safety hub would have immediately obvious with the drum removed.

Mart · 03-01-2013, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by John R

This story illustrates another reason for setting up your rear hub/drum combo so that the drum is not locked to the hub and can be removed separately. The safety hub would have immediately obvious with the drum removed.

Yes, but only if you have the drums that go on the outside of the hubs. Some drums actually go inboard of the hubs. Something, I would imagine, that must be a peculiarity to Fords.

Mart.

03-01-2013, 12:00 PM	#2
richard crow Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,865	Re: Safety Hubs they will work. just make a note that there on the car. if you don,t remove the retaining nuts you woun,t be able to get the drum off. they are being made again. if your useing bendix brakes on a ford rear you need this type or you can make the kind that go over the drum. there was a thread that showed a set made for the over the drum type on the barn a couple of months ago .the type you have are in my openion much beter

03-01-2013, 12:08 PM	#4
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Safety Hubs Those are real 1950's hotrod parts...Speedway, I think, is or was reproducing them with aluminum castings.

03-01-2013, 12:51 PM	#5
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 11,606	Re: Safety Hubs I think that smaller ring has to be welded to the hub. Is that correct?

03-01-2013, 01:01 PM	#6
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Safety Hubs Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Yes...big piece drops into place, ring goes on and is welded, then the thing gets welded on with space set for minimal movement if axle lets go. Someone on the HAMB reported finding a streetrodder friend with a newly purchased '40 fighting with drums that just would not come off...the encounter was too late to save the brakes, which had already been ruined by the guy applying crowbars to his safety-hubbed drums!

03-01-2013, 01:22 PM	#7
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 9,088	Re: Safety Hubs Bruce, I don't think there is any further welding after the ring is welded to the hub. The whole shebang just gets bolted in place. I have only ever seen a magazine article years ago, and I seem to remember something like 4 half inch beads 90 degrees apart were judged to be sufficient. Bear in mind the unit only has to hold things in place until the vehicle comes to a halt. Once the axle snaps you are going no further. You have to make sure the studs in the unit are long enough to go through the radius arm and shock brackets. Mart.

03-01-2013, 01:25 PM	#8
Enbloc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: London, UK. Posts: 195	Re: Safety Hubs I understand the studs come through the backing plates and are then nutted, but what stops the casting and studs from moving around as it would only be fixed to stop movement one way? Does it just "float" against the welded ring?

03-01-2013, 01:31 PM	#9
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Safety Hubs The ring is the only welding...the people I mentioned were having their little difficulty because they were unaware their new ride HAD safety hubs! The studs are clamped securely in place in both directions, replacing the function of the two removed original fasteners... Note also the notches in casting to clear existing fasteners that remain. The casting itself doesn't do anything until the axle breaks, at which time it keeps the hubs very close to normal position.

03-01-2013, 01:44 PM	#10
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 11,606	Re: Safety Hubs Bruce, thank you for your excellent explanation. I can just imagine the frustration of trying to remove a stock drum - not knowing those safety hubs were being used.

03-01-2013, 04:15 PM	#12
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 9,088	Re: Safety Hubs Funny enough, a UK enthusiast had the same problem. I suggested he checked for this type of safety hub and lo and behold that is what he had. Mart.