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KJ714 · 02-02-2023, 03:54 PM

I have a 1936 ford 5 window, I want to put a T5 with a hydraulic clutch in it. It already has juice brakes with an old school single reservoir master cylinder.

I'd like to upgrade to a modern under the floor set up that will accommodate the hydraulic clutch pedal, & the dual reservoir brakes. Any suggestions on a good kit or vendor to go with for the best solution?

Thanks

Krylon32 · 02-02-2023, 04:05 PM

I have used and sold several of the 35-40 dual pedal assembly's from Pete & Jake's with no problems. If you already have the hydraulics/slave, slave mc and brake mc be sure you order a 5040 LC which is the pedal assembly without the cylinders.

GB SISSON · 02-02-2023, 04:38 PM

I used a hydraulic clutch in a '47 pickup as the engine and trans were set up that way and the fork was on the passenger side. Would have been too much linkage even for Rube Goldberg himself. I ran a long tubular push rod with an adjustable clevis off the existing clutch pedal up to the frame rail midway between the steering box and the radiator. Simple because I was able to use the hole in the pedal for the factory's clutch rod. I then made a simple bracket to accomodate a wilwood clutch master of the required size and bolted it onto the frame rail using the two holes meant for the horn. I hate drilling extra holes, as this vehicle had none. After that, plumb it in a way that works on the slave side. In my case I used a 'pull type' slave cylinder.
This whole business can be unbolted in a few minutes if one chose to go back to factory stock, and cost me nothing other than cost of the cylinders. Here's a 3 minute video I made a few years back about a diesel conversion, but it has a good section in the middle showing my hydraulic clutch setup.

https://youtu.be/10sOPzK0GNI

Pete · 02-02-2023, 05:19 PM

Wilwood makes a pedal assembly with 3 cylinders. It will mount either on the floor or the firewall. It is brake bias adjustable also. I have used several over the years.

aussie merc · 02-02-2023, 06:31 PM

I vote pete and jakes anything ive bought from them fits first time and works

GB SISSON · 02-03-2023, 09:54 AM

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The three cylinder setup from Wilwood is ingenious. The brakes use two individual cylinders side by side. There is a horizontal cross rod linking the two MCs together. If a fitting was installed in the center of this rod to accept the brake pedal's push rod, applying the brake pedal would depress both cylinders with equal pressure. Well, this fitting in the center is actually threaded so as to be able to move side to side. This gives infinate proportioning for the brake system. Very easy to dial in front/rear bias of the brakes. The tinkering (cheap) side of me chose to go another route but I liked the wilwood engineering.

V8COOPMAN · 02-03-2023, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GB SISSON

The three cylinder setup from Wilwood is ingenious. The brakes use two individual cylinders side by side. There is a horizontal cross rod linking the two MCs together. If a fitting was installed in the center of this rod to accept the brake pedal's push rod, applying the brake pedal would depress both cylinders with equal pressure. Well, this fitting in the center is actually threaded so as to be able to move side to side. This gives infinate proportioning for the brake system. Very easy to dial in front/rear bias of the brakes. The tinkering (cheap) side of me chose to go another route but I liked the wilwood engineering.

That "cross rod" is called a 'BALANCE Bar'. You see that sort of set-up on all sorts of race-type vehicles. I love the way that one should be able to tune a brake system. I threatened myself to do a car employing a system like that for years, but I guess it ain't gonna happen at this late date. But what a simple concept!

Coop

02-02-2023, 03:54 PM	#1
KJ714 Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Posts: 58	3 Pedals I have a 1936 ford 5 window, I want to put a T5 with a hydraulic clutch in it. It already has juice brakes with an old school single reservoir master cylinder. I'd like to upgrade to a modern under the floor set up that will accommodate the hydraulic clutch pedal, & the dual reservoir brakes. Any suggestions on a good kit or vendor to go with for the best solution? Thanks

02-02-2023, 04:05 PM	#2
Krylon32 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,170	Re: 3 Pedals I have used and sold several of the 35-40 dual pedal assembly's from Pete & Jake's with no problems. If you already have the hydraulics/slave, slave mc and brake mc be sure you order a 5040 LC which is the pedal assembly without the cylinders.

02-02-2023, 04:38 PM	#3
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 5,881	Re: 3 Pedals I used a hydraulic clutch in a '47 pickup as the engine and trans were set up that way and the fork was on the passenger side. Would have been too much linkage even for Rube Goldberg himself. I ran a long tubular push rod with an adjustable clevis off the existing clutch pedal up to the frame rail midway between the steering box and the radiator. Simple because I was able to use the hole in the pedal for the factory's clutch rod. I then made a simple bracket to accomodate a wilwood clutch master of the required size and bolted it onto the frame rail using the two holes meant for the horn. I hate drilling extra holes, as this vehicle had none. After that, plumb it in a way that works on the slave side. In my case I used a 'pull type' slave cylinder. This whole business can be unbolted in a few minutes if one chose to go back to factory stock, and cost me nothing other than cost of the cylinders. Here's a 3 minute video I made a few years back about a diesel conversion, but it has a good section in the middle showing my hydraulic clutch setup. https://youtu.be/10sOPzK0GNI __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1946 Tonner Pickup with 226 H six, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, now wearing 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

02-02-2023, 05:19 PM	#4
Pete BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wa. Posts: 5,423	Re: 3 Pedals Wilwood makes a pedal assembly with 3 cylinders. It will mount either on the floor or the firewall. It is brake bias adjustable also. I have used several over the years.

02-02-2023, 06:31 PM	#5
aussie merc Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: sydney australia Posts: 1,125	Re: 3 Pedals I vote pete and jakes anything ive bought from them fits first time and works

02-03-2023, 09:54 AM	#6
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 5,881	Re: 3 Pedals Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) The three cylinder setup from Wilwood is ingenious. The brakes use two individual cylinders side by side. There is a horizontal cross rod linking the two MCs together. If a fitting was installed in the center of this rod to accept the brake pedal's push rod, applying the brake pedal would depress both cylinders with equal pressure. Well, this fitting in the center is actually threaded so as to be able to move side to side. This gives infinate proportioning for the brake system. Very easy to dial in front/rear bias of the brakes. The tinkering (cheap) side of me chose to go another route but I liked the wilwood engineering. __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1946 Tonner Pickup with 226 H six, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, now wearing 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)