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skidmarks · 10-30-2016, 12:49 PM

Adapter plate is steel and about 1/4" thick. Adaptes a flathead ford transmission to what? Its not cadillac Oldsmobile or a pontiac.
It was bolted to a hildebrant aluminum adapter bell that was flatheadford with the early clutch fork to a Lasalle transmission.

tubman · 10-30-2016, 01:30 PM

Are you sure it's not for an early (fifties) Oldsmobile? I have one that looks a lot like that that fits my '49 Rocket. The only other engine I can think of is a very early ('51 to '53) Chrysler hemi, but it's not for that, because I had one and it recessed the transmission into the back of the engine about 3 inches.

Bob C · 10-30-2016, 01:38 PM

X2 I have one that looks like that on a 59 Olds.
http://www.wilcap.com/wilcapstore.ht...egory=14420222

Bob
They look the same only different I guess.

V8COOPMAN · 10-30-2016, 01:45 PM

I've looked at that image several times since you first posted it a while back. I believe the key is the three close-grouped holes at the top. Surely is a strange piece. Do you also have a pic of the aluminum piece that you say was attached? DD

DavidG · 10-30-2016, 02:27 PM

Not '50s Olds/Cadillac, but perhaps Pontiac?

skidmarks · 10-30-2016, 02:44 PM

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I know for a fact its not 303-324 Oldsmobile or 331 cadillac which is the same. Not a early pontiac because they are straight down on lower left and right corners. Buick was also larger and more circular like a y block or FE ford.
This one is smaller and diameter.

I do think its for a engine block with an extended shelf.

Andy · 10-30-2016, 02:59 PM

Wild guess Studebacker? Saw a 46 Ford in a junk yard with a Stude.

V8COOPMAN · 10-30-2016, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

Wild guess Studebacker? Saw a 46 Ford in a junk yard with a Stude.

Stude is one of the first oddballs I looked at, besides Packards, too. I'm wondering if this may have been some commercial or industrial application. Different, for sure! DD

skidmarks · 10-31-2016, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

Wild guess Studebacker? Saw a 46 Ford in a junk yard with a Stude.

I picked parts off a 48 ford pickup that had a studebaker and a t 10 4 speed. It was pretty much junk when i picked it for the rocker arms to use on a 331 cadillac motor.

skidmarks · 10-30-2016, 03:50 PM

What about a inline motor ?

V8COOPMAN · 10-30-2016, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by skidmarks

What about a inline motor ?

I even tried looking at quite a few of the early inlines from the '40s and '50s. I tried to think of anything that guys possibly ran back then. Like you, I thought it MIGHT be for an extended bell like the early Hemis, because of how short, or THIN the adapter is. Obviously though, it ain't early Hemi. Again, I don't ever remember anything with those three top holes so close together. In fact, I can't think of a good reason WHY there would be three bolt holes that close together. Sure is a strange critter! DD

V8COOPMAN · 10-30-2016, 04:03 PM

Hmmmmmmm......I wonder if it could possibly be some sort of "service" fixture, like to bolt a Ford trans case to for rebuilding? DD

super flat · 10-30-2016, 04:32 PM

55 to 60 Pontiac v8"s have 3 holes on top like that. That is my bet! Gary

skidmarks · 10-30-2016, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by super flat

55 to 60 Pontiac v8"s have 3 holes on top like that. That is my bet! Gary

Not the ones i have had. They had 2 top bolts and a odd shape that was kind of square on the lower corners

V8COOPMAN · 10-30-2016, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by super flat

55 to 60 Pontiac v8"s have 3 holes on top like that. That is my bet! Gary

You sure about that? DD

super flat · 10-30-2016, 06:03 PM

Ok. I looked again and the three holes are on the side. Here are some crappy pictures of my bellhousing from the 55 Pontiac v8 I had. Sorry for the slip up! Gary

Bob C · 10-30-2016, 06:09 PM

If it had a LaSalle trans adapter on it I would think it's probably from the 50's.

super flat · 10-30-2016, 06:15 PM

Mine is for a GM 4 speed, Gary

Mart · 10-31-2016, 03:17 AM

A flat plate adaptor like that could only have been used on the early types of motors that had an extended bell. I'm not that well up on these, but olds had them for example. A flat faced block (like an 8BA) is not a contender because there would not be enough standoff to accommodate the clutch etc. I can't say what it is, but can at least offer that you can rule out anything like the Pontiac shown above.
If the block had some sort of half bell adaptor then it's anyones guess.

Mart.

Henry Floored · 10-31-2016, 10:29 AM

Not trying to be a jerk but the hot rod magazines told me that Fords are no good because they have no interchangeability.

I have no idea what that adapter fits but so far I've heard about 6 different gm engines that it could fit.

Is this evidence that the hot rod magazines were not as forthcoming as they should have been when describing the terrible interchangeability between the different gm engine lines?

Chrysler interchangeability sucks too if you apply these same standards.

There was a WHOLE LOT of biased journalism against Ford post Flathead era. Just saying.

10-30-2016, 01:30 PM	#2
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,443	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess Are you sure it's not for an early (fifties) Oldsmobile? I have one that looks a lot like that that fits my '49 Rocket. The only other engine I can think of is a very early ('51 to '53) Chrysler hemi, but it's not for that, because I had one and it recessed the transmission into the back of the engine about 3 inches.

10-30-2016, 01:45 PM	#4
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 11,131	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess I've looked at that image several times since you first posted it a while back. I believe the key is the three close-grouped holes at the top. Surely is a strange piece. Do you also have a pic of the aluminum piece that you say was attached? DD __________________ *Click Links Below* __ ▼ *'35-'36 W/8BA & MECHANICAL FAN* *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE*

10-30-2016, 02:27 PM	#5
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,139	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess Not '50s Olds/Cadillac, but perhaps Pontiac?

10-30-2016, 02:44 PM	#6
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I know for a fact its not 303-324 Oldsmobile or 331 cadillac which is the same. Not a early pontiac because they are straight down on lower left and right corners. Buick was also larger and more circular like a y block or FE ford. This one is smaller and diameter. I do think its for a engine block with an extended shelf. Last edited by skidmarks; 10-30-2016 at 02:49 PM.

10-30-2016, 02:59 PM	#7
Andy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kerrville, Tx Posts: 2,780	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess Wild guess Studebacker? Saw a 46 Ford in a junk yard with a Stude.

10-30-2016, 03:50 PM	#10
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess What about a inline motor ?

10-30-2016, 04:03 PM	#12
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 11,131	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess Hmmmmmmm......I wonder if it could possibly be some sort of "service" fixture, like to bolt a Ford trans case to for rebuilding? DD __________________ *Click Links Below* __ ▼ *'35-'36 W/8BA & MECHANICAL FAN* *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE*

10-30-2016, 04:32 PM	#13
super flat Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: west bend wi Posts: 314	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess 55 to 60 Pontiac v8"s have 3 holes on top like that. That is my bet! Gary __________________ I am usually relatively happy------Gary

10-30-2016, 06:09 PM	#17
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,814	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess If it had a LaSalle trans adapter on it I would think it's probably from the 50's.

10-30-2016, 06:15 PM	#18
super flat Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: west bend wi Posts: 314	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess Mine is for a GM 4 speed, Gary __________________ I am usually relatively happy------Gary

10-31-2016, 03:17 AM	#19
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,798	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess A flat plate adaptor like that could only have been used on the early types of motors that had an extended bell. I'm not that well up on these, but olds had them for example. A flat faced block (like an 8BA) is not a contender because there would not be enough standoff to accommodate the clutch etc. I can't say what it is, but can at least offer that you can rule out anything like the Pontiac shown above. If the block had some sort of half bell adaptor then it's anyones guess. Mart.

10-31-2016, 10:29 AM	#20
Henry Floored Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 583	Re: Flathead ford to ???? Adapter plate. Anyone got a guess Not trying to be a jerk but the hot rod magazines told me that Fords are no good because they have no interchangeability. I have no idea what that adapter fits but so far I've heard about 6 different gm engines that it could fit. Is this evidence that the hot rod magazines were not as forthcoming as they should have been when describing the terrible interchangeability between the different gm engine lines? Chrysler interchangeability sucks too if you apply these same standards. There was a WHOLE LOT of biased journalism against Ford post Flathead era. Just saying.