1928 Phaeton top irons

[Classiccanuck]

I'm looking for a picture/description of the original type of fastener that was used to connect the front top irons to the rest of the irons. It's the pivot point. Hope I've described it correctly.

[wrndln]

Are you refering to the star washers and oval shaped retainer clips? If that is what you are looking for I have pictures of them. Let me know if this is what you need.
Rusty Nelson

[Classiccanuck]

I'm not sure.....its the fastener that attaches the ends of the 1st irons going back, to the rest of the irons.

[Classiccanuck]

I think you would loosen these to fold down the top

[Arlen]

No. He's talking about the bolt and the thumb screw. I don't have a pic of mine but its reproduced. Just look in a catalog. Looks like a bolt thru it and then a "Y" shaped thumb but that squeezes the front irons onto the rest of the irons. Real simple design.

[Classiccanuck]

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[Randy in ca]

Originally Posted by Classiccanuck

I'm looking for a picture/description of the original type of fastener that was used to connect the front top irons to the rest of the irons. It's the pivot point. Hope I've described it correctly.

Is this the connection you're wondering about? If so I would guess that it's rivetted, but someone should be able to confirm if indeed that's the connection you're wondering about. (Not my picture - I think it is one of Marco's).

[Classiccanuck]

That's the spot! A few posts back, say its a bolt and wing nut type set up.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Here's a couple pictures of my 1928 Phaeton first and second pivot joints. The first joint (left picture) is just a basic rivet.

[Arlen]

Neither of toms pics are area I was talking about. Unless the 28 top is a dramatically different design, there is a dome headed bolt and wing nut that attaches the #1 bow to the rest of the irons. The wing but has to be loosened in order for the top to be put down. It allows the number 1 bow to bend backwards and lay flat on the other irons in the down position. The other post are correct that the other pivot points in the irons are riveted. Again, maybe the 28 is way different than mine.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Every 1928 Phaeton I've seen looks like my top irons. What time period is this Phaeton in question? Any chance it has repro top irons?

The only wing nut bolt I know of is the one that clamps the folding top to the windshield post top.

[midgetracer]

My 30 phaeton has the wing nut in question however it is missing on my bows. I saw a picture of it in the LeBarron Bonney catalog. Mine has a rivet with a vee type lock that locks the front bow in position when the bow is folded out. the wing nut must be cinched up to hold the vee and notch together. Maybe you have 30-31 bows?

[RHD]

I think this is the connection in question. The front bow is covered by the front side curtain.

[Classiccanuck]

RDH, I think that makes sense, the contact points on mine have ridges and valleys that interlock in position, I guess for when the top is up and the arms extended, then the wing nuts are tightened into position interlocking the parts together and reverse when folding top down.

[Arlen]

That's the one I was talking about. Does 28 not have that?

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Arlen

That's the one I was talking about. Does 28 not have that?

None that I've ever seen.

[Classiccanuck]

Thanks! I'm going with the wing nut set up, makes sense. Thanks for all the replies. Great Site!!

[pooch]

A while back there was talk on a 30/31 frame and it not having the same scissor action that a 28/29 has.

The 28/29 frame holds itself up by the triangulation of the metal bars and padding/strapping.

That is why it does not need a wingnut tightened to stop it drooping.

[Classiccanuck]

Originally Posted by RHD

I think this is the connection in question. The front bow is covered by the front side curtain.

are these wingnuts available anywhere?

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Classiccanuck

are these wingnuts available anywhere?

If you mean the wingnut on each side that secures the top frame to the windshield post, yes, they are available. Bert's, Bratton's, and A&L should have them.