Fender Welt

[Charles Reese]

It is my understanding that the pickups did not have welt installed between the rear fender and bed. Assuming welt was used to minimize vibration noise and dust blow-by, why would this not be used on the bed/fender as well?

[Mike V. Florida]

Trucks were used for work not comfort. They saved a little money leaving it out.

[bobgreco]

Very interesting, I did not know that. Hopefully I wil be putting my truck back together in a couple of weeks and am planning on using welt here mainly as it will keep dirt etc. out of the joint.

[Milton]

Thanks, the original posts 4 & 5 didn't do much for me either.

[Ed Saniewski]

Charlie, are you sure about that? I have seen a few MARC winners from a few years back and they had welting on the rear fenders.

[Neil Wilson]

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Charles,
Why is this "your understanding"? I would question your source!

The Oct. 1, 1928 Ford Parts Price List shows A-16072 (order by the yard) as rear fender to body anti-squeak and the pick-up is listed as one body type using this part number.

[Dan Partain]

Charles,

At one time there was some discussion here about the pickups and the "frame welt" not being used between the bed and the frame. I think it was agreed that the frame welt ends at the splash shield, as on other models, and the wood bed support members were bolted directly to the frame.

Could it be you were thinking of this piece of welting?

[Tom from Drippin']

I also think your understanding is incorrect.....assuming that you are asking about fender welting.

[LukeDahlinger]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

Trucks were used for work not comfort. They saved a little money leaving it out.

How does lack of fender welting equate to less comfort?

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by LukeDahlinger

How does lack of fender welting equate to less comfort?

Maybe he was referring to squeaks?

[LukeDahlinger]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Maybe he was referring to squeaks?

Possible- but neither of mine squeak and they don't have any welting in between the fenders & bed.

I can think of alot more places that squeak other than the bed/fender mounting area. Considering the '29 has never been properly restored- there's ALOT!

[Charles Reese]

Mr. Partain: I am seeking info on the bead/welt used between the fenders and the sheet metal riser on my pickup bed. I agree that the ‘frame welt’ ends at the rear of the splash apron.

Mr. Turley: I agree there is not material between the bed and the riser (riveted together).

Neil: Your post got me to looking at my Parts Lists (it never crossed my mind that it might be listed there!).

My Jan 1 28 Parts List (pg 33) shows A16072 as Front Belt Rail To Gas Tank Anti-Squeak. However, that bead/welt is identical to what I was considering using on my rear fenders. Page 34 shows A16347 as Rear Fender To Body Anti-Squeak (Fordor, Tudor, Phaeton); and A16348 Rear Fender To Body Anti-Squeak (Roadster, Coupe, Sport Coupe), with no mention of Pickup.

I don’t have a copy of the Oct 1, 1928 Parts List.

Interestingly, my July 1, 1931 Parts List (pg 38) shows 16344-AR Rear Fender to Body Anti-Squeak for numerous body styles, but not the pickup. (A16344 is not listed in the 1-1-28 Parts List).

It would make sense to me that it should be used for the same reasons it would have been for other vehicles. With that said, would the bead/welt continue down between the rear fender and the side splash apron?

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by LukeDahlinger

How does lack of fender welting equate to less comfort?

The original post stated "vibration noise" to me, less vibration and greater quiet = greater comfort.

[Steve Plucker]

October 1, 1928 Parts Price List says: " Order A-16072: Rear fender to body anti-squeak assy. Pick-up, A and AA Panel and Express".

Email Tom Moniz...he has all my information on all of the different types of anti-squeak and hopefully A-16072 is with the Part Releases for which he has. I am not sure but I think it states the length of each.

Maybe...just maybe, the smaller anti-squeak was used in this spot rather than the larger beaded type.

When the August 1, 1929 PPL came out, the part number changed to A-16344.

This change occured between the June 1, and August 1, 1929 PPL's but the Part Releases will give you a better clue hopefully.

Pluck

[Charles Reese]

Bummer! as if this hobby isn't confusing enough, they go and change numbers midstream ... ahhhhggg

Was not aware that the bead came in different sizes, vendor catalog shows 3/16".

any chance this is the 'anti-squeak' material (i.e. no bead, similar to cloth electrical tape) that was used between the fuel tank and cowl?

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by Charles Reese

Bummer! as if this hobby isn't confusing enough, they go and change numbers midstream ... ahhhhggg

Was not aware that the bead came in different sizes, vendor catalog shows 3/16".

any chance this is the 'anti-squeak' material (i.e. no bead, similar to cloth electrical tape) that was used between the fuel tank and cowl?

I am going to take a wild guess here and say no, but hopefully Mr. Moniz will come through for us.

Pluck

[Dan Partain]

Let's bring this one back and add to it since there are some new questions.

Here's the common factory photo of a '28 pickup that most have seen. It has the humped splash aprons and is not what I would consider "very early" '28 (some want to use AR). I don't have an opinion on the early (AR) bed and splash apron assy, the only one I have seen is from the photos that Charles has posted.

Obvious is the welting along the rear fender and splash apron. It doesn't seem logical to me that Henry would have left off the welt for the rear fenders in this area, especially the fender to splash apron connection. Don't all other A's have welt in this area?

I can say for sure that mud and dirty water will come up between the fender and bed if you don't have welt in that area. I drove mine a long time as a bucket of bolts in all kinds of weather.

In my opinion there was welt installed at the factory along the rear fenders. I don't know much about the 30-31 models but it's my guess that they would be the same way.

[Steve Plucker]

[QUOTE=Dan Partain;554821]Let's bring this one back and add to it since there are some new questions.

Here's the common factory photo of a '28 pickup that most have seen. It has the humped splash aprons and is not what I would consider "very early" '28 (some want to use AR). I don't have an opinion on the early (AR) bed and splash apron assy, the only one I have seen is from the photos that Charles has posted.

Obvious is the welting along the rear fender and splash apron. It doesn't seem logical to me that Henry would have left off the welt for the rear fenders in this area, especially the fender to splash apron connection. Don't all other A's have welt in this area?

I can say for sure that mud and dirty water will come up between the fender and bed if you don't have welt in that area. I drove mine a long time as a bucket of bolts in all kinds of weather.

In my opinion there was welt installed at the factory along the rear fenders. I don't know much about the 30-31 models but it's my guess that they would be the same way.[/QUOTE]

I am sure they did to Dan...Tom Moniz has all my part releases pertaining to all the rear fender welting that I could get from the archives...maybe he can help you out on that.

Pluck

[d.j. moordigian]

Maybe someone can improve, or larger, this photo...

[wrndln]

Dudley,
I tried to enlarge the picture in Picasa, but it is just to grainy. I couldn't tell if the rear fenders had welting or not.
Rusty Nelson