The Ford Barn

Terry, NJ · 03-31-2012, 01:23 PM

Ford Barn, Wood shed! I mean a special corner to handle questions about Ford wood body frames. OK so here comes my question, I'm preliminarily fitting the wood together. The wood kit is from Brattons. I bought the "top wood" kit (header, and lateral pieces) I'm fitting the outer side pieces with the tab or tongue that go in the ends of the header. The problem is that the Tab is cut too thick, Or the slot in the header is too small! Which is it? Header or tab? And What is important to maintain, the bottom surface appears to be flush. Is this important or any old levels will do. I suspect the "flush" will have to b e maintained. I have to take about 1/16th off either the tongue/tab or open the slot in the header a 1/16". Any advice or suggestions?
Terry

ford1 · 03-31-2012, 01:58 PM

cant help you there, most guys are not carpenters, they are metal workers, and if they are any thing like me they cut a 2x4 off twice and its still to short, give me metal , at least you can weld a piece back on to repair your mistake

jan bogert · 03-31-2012, 02:30 PM

Terry, i put the new top kit in my '31 coupe ,i don't think that it matters. its all going to hide with the interior isn't it.

Marco Tahtaras · 03-31-2012, 04:15 PM

If you are talking about the inner rails at the roof opening the top surfaces must be level so the roof panels meet the visor on the same plane.

I'm thinking that the outer rails are are positioned by a bracket off the top of the hinge pillar. In any case the door opening clearance is very important.

Terry, NJ · 03-31-2012, 06:51 PM

Hey Jan! This is my 4dr Town Sedan. Not the basic wood frame of a coupe.Since I talked to you last, I've aquired a coupe so I have an idea about the difference. If you've ever had a town Sedan, you'll know that this model is the hardest to replace the wood in. Henry put a virtual lumber yard in there. Any 4 dr is going to be difficult because of the fit of the doors. The length of the sills and the top wood have to all match. Also, the frame of a Town Sedan is much more of the strength of the body than in a coupe. From what I know of a coupe, you're correct about the wood is just a place to hang the interior panel on, not so in a TS.
Terry

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Originally Posted by jan bogert

Terry, i put the new top kit in my '31 coupe ,i don't think that it matters. its all going to hide with the interior isn't it.

1930artdeco · 03-31-2012, 06:57 PM

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My guess is that the opening would be opened up a smidge as if you shrink the tongue then it becomes a weak point. I am guessing that if you opened up the header or the female portion it could take stress more readily than a trimmed down tongue.

Mike

Terry, NJ · 03-31-2012, 06:58 PM

Thanks Marco! Then it's the top surface that is critical. So all my adjustments to the tabs/tongues must take this into account. I have about 1/16 to enlarge the slot or reduce the thickness of the tabs by. Man! A few pictures and or directions would really be helpful about now! Thanks again!
Terry

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Originally Posted by Marco Tahtaras

If you are talking about the inner rails at the roof opening the top surfaces must be level so the roof panels meet the visor on the same plane.

I'm thinking that the outer rails are are positioned by a bracket off the top of the hinge pillar. In any case the door opening clearance is very important.

Terry, NJ · 03-31-2012, 07:15 PM

Upon reflection, I would agree with you. My question was should I take it off the top or the bottom or split the difference. It's only a miserable 1/16 of an inch we're talking about, but I want to get it right and I didn't know what was more critical. Marco made it clear that I should make the top flush. BTW this is a Briggs Town Sedan, better pay close attention! You may be asking these questions someday!
Terry

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Originally Posted by 1930artdeco

My guess is that the opening would be opened up a smidge as if you shrink the tongue then it becomes a weak point. I am guessing that if you opened up the header or the female portion it could take stress more readily than a trimmed down tongue.

Mike

Terry, NJ · 03-31-2012, 07:28 PM

This is not carpentry! Most carpenters couldn't do this without screwing it up. A good old fashioned cabinet maker could do it though. It's like metal/machine work, only in wood! Ya hafta sneak up on the dimensions just so it ain't too short! Measure twice, cut once! actually, measure several times from different points, then make half your cut, The go back and do it all again and make sure it's right before you go near the saw or sander. Good Luck!
Terry

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Originally Posted by ford1

cant help you there, most guys are not carpenters, they are metal workers, and if they are any thing like me they cut a 2x4 off twice and its still to short, give me metal , at least you can weld a piece back on to repair your mistake

1928Pickuppain · 03-31-2012, 07:38 PM

I'm a cabinet maker by trade the proper dimensions of any tongue and grove is that the morise is the same side as the rise on eaither side. So thus for a bord that is 3/4 " you have 1/4" on one side of the tongue, a 1/4" tongue, and 1/4" on the other side of side of tongue. 1/3 1/3 1/3 = 1 if u call I can give you the technical reason why. 1617-519-0541 .

03-31-2012, 01:23 PM	#1
Terry, NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks Co, Pa Posts: 3,749	What this forum needs.......Wood shed! Ford Barn, Wood shed! I mean a special corner to handle questions about Ford wood body frames. OK so here comes my question, I'm preliminarily fitting the wood together. The wood kit is from Brattons. I bought the "top wood" kit (header, and lateral pieces) I'm fitting the outer side pieces with the tab or tongue that go in the ends of the header. The problem is that the Tab is cut too thick, Or the slot in the header is too small! Which is it? Header or tab? And What is important to maintain, the bottom surface appears to be flush. Is this important or any old levels will do. I suspect the "flush" will have to b e maintained. I have to take about 1/16th off either the tongue/tab or open the slot in the header a 1/16". Any advice or suggestions? Terry

03-31-2012, 01:58 PM	#2
ford1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: oroville ca. Posts: 1,554	Re: What this forum needs.......Wood shed! cant help you there, most guys are not carpenters, they are metal workers, and if they are any thing like me they cut a 2x4 off twice and its still to short, give me metal , at least you can weld a piece back on to repair your mistake

03-31-2012, 02:30 PM	#3
jan bogert Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: whitehall pa. Posts: 439	Re: What this forum needs.......Wood shed! Terry, i put the new top kit in my '31 coupe ,i don't think that it matters. its all going to hide with the interior isn't it.

03-31-2012, 04:15 PM	#4
Marco Tahtaras Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,099	Re: What this forum needs.......Wood shed! If you are talking about the inner rails at the roof opening the top surfaces must be level so the roof panels meet the visor on the same plane. I'm thinking that the outer rails are are positioned by a bracket off the top of the hinge pillar. In any case the door opening clearance is very important. __________________ http://www.abarnyard.com/

03-31-2012, 06:57 PM	#6
1930artdeco Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lynden, Wa Posts: 3,777	Re: What this forum needs.......Wood shed! Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) My guess is that the opening would be opened up a smidge as if you shrink the tongue then it becomes a weak point. I am guessing that if you opened up the header or the female portion it could take stress more readily than a trimmed down tongue. Mike __________________ 1930 TownSedan (Briggs) 1957 Country Sedan

03-31-2012, 07:38 PM	#10
1928Pickuppain Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Billerica, Ma Posts: 461	Re: What this forum needs.......Wood shed! I'm a cabinet maker by trade the proper dimensions of any tongue and grove is that the morise is the same side as the rise on eaither side. So thus for a bord that is 3/4 " you have 1/4" on one side of the tongue, a 1/4" tongue, and 1/4" on the other side of side of tongue. 1/3 1/3 1/3 = 1 if u call I can give you the technical reason why. 1617-519-0541 .