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CA Victoria · 08-24-2011, 04:49 PM

What is a 4 Cyl B diamond block block worth?

It was built in 1970
Pressure tested and maged, no cracks
Deck is good
Bores are clean
Ford 352 Pistons, 4.030" tight and clean
Counter balanced crank
Main and Rod babbitt is in very good shape
Hot home grind A stick with aluminum gear
All covers are present
C head

???

Logan · 08-24-2011, 05:02 PM

That is a very tricky question. It depends on if you're trying to sell it, or buy it and if it has been ran in a car, or just sitting in the garage still a fresh rebuild. If i were selling it, and i knew everything was in good shape it would probably ask about 1500-1800 just because anybody who buys it will question the machine work inside of it. Whether the babbit is truly in cood condition, and if everything was put together correctly. Now if i was going to buy that motor i would probably only give around 1000 maybe a little more for it if i knew the condition of the internals. And the only reason i would pay less, is because there is no guarantee. Meaning there is no warranty with it, and if it were to break, i would be out that money. And this is all based on if it were still a fresh rebuild from the 70's. If its been ran in a car for any length of time, i would pretty much cut both prices in half.

Mike V. Florida · 08-24-2011, 08:10 PM

What are you calling a Model C block;

Look here for the story of and "C" engine;

http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/modelcmyth.htm

James Rogers · 08-24-2011, 09:00 PM

All B blocks are diamond marked. No such block as a C. This engine never existed.

hardtimes · 08-24-2011, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Rogers

All B blocks are diamond marked. No such block as a C. This engine never existed.

James,
Not all! I've got a NOS Russian B ...no diamond mark!

Jim Brierley · 08-25-2011, 09:56 AM

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Ford-produced blocks did not have the diamond during regular production years. The diamond is a foundry mark and those blocks were produced in an outside foundry for Ford, mostly for commercial use.

CarlG · 08-25-2011, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

What are you calling a Model C block;...

He never said it was a C Block, only that it had a "C" head.

Mike V. Florida · 08-25-2011, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlG

He never said it was a C Block, only that it had a "C" head.

No, notice he edited his post. The original one stated "C" block.

just plain bill · 08-25-2011, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

No, notice he edited his post. The original one stated "C" block.

Hey, P C Police, how do you bring up the first post?

Purdy Swoft · 08-25-2011, 03:33 PM

Also what happened to the wrong, wrong, wrong post that was under hardtimes post yesterday?

Mike V. Florida · 08-25-2011, 03:59 PM

I asked about what he was calling a C Block because his first post was titled "4 cyl C Block" and specified the c block and the c head. I have been reading about Model A's for some years and have several times heard people call the five main block casting a C block, the Diamond block called a C block and even the engine with only a "C" head called a "C" block engine.

It was not meant to be anything against CA Victoria but to gather additional information to give him an answer to his, how much is the engine he has worth question.

If you look at the threads you will also see one asking "What is a Model C block?" that was spawned from this thread. "There is a fellow Barner asking the worth of a Model C block."

I'm sorry if some of you thought my question was out of line but one cannot give the value of something that does not exist but I wanted to give a value of what he had so I was asking an open ended question to gather more information.

CarlG · 08-25-2011, 04:06 PM

No offence, Mike, I just didn't see the original first post calling it a "C Block"

just plain bill · 08-25-2011, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

I asked about what he was calling a C Block because his first post was titled "4 cyl C Block" and specified the c block and the c head. I have been reading about Model A's for some years and have several times heard people call the five main block casting a C block, the Diamond block called a C block and even the engine with only a "C" head called a "C" block engine.

It was not meant to be anything against CA Victoria but to gather additional information to give him an answer to his, how much is the engine he has worth question.

If you look at the threads you will also see one asking "What is a Model C block?" that was spawned from this thread. "There is a fellow Barner asking the worth of a Model C block."

I'm sorry if some of you thought my question was out of line but one cannot give the value of something that does not exist but I wanted to give a value of what he had so I was asking an open ended question to gather more information.

The 33 34 blocks were locally called C blocks to differentiate them from the B block. The confusion supposedly was started by the letter C cast into the head. What 5 main block? The Donovan is called a D. If someone calls his engine a C then I would assume he meant it was a 33 or 34 and it had the forged factory counter weighted crankshaft, wrong as we might be! Not the heavier larger bearing B block as compared to the A and with a non counter weighted crank.

hardtimes · 08-25-2011, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

Also what happened to the wrong, wrong, wrong post that was under hardtimes post yesterday?

Bill/Purdy,
Good questions! I never did see that one. Hmm, wonder how..and WHO can make a post....disap....

James Rogers · 08-25-2011, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

I asked about what he was calling a C Block because his first post was titled "4 cyl C Block" and specified the c block and the c head. I have been reading about Model A's for some years and have several times heard people call the "five main block casting" a C block, the Diamond block called a C block and even the engine with only a "C" head called a "C" block engine.

It was not meant to be anything against CA Victoria but to gather additional information to give him an answer to his, how much is the engine he has worth question.

If you look at the threads you will also see one asking "What is a Model C block?" that was spawned from this thread. "There is a fellow Barner asking the worth of a Model C block."

I'm sorry if some of you thought my question was out of line but one cannot give the value of something that does not exist but I wanted to give a value of what he had so I was asking an open ended question to gather more information.

Must be a typo

. Should it not be a Five CAM bearing block? Never seen a real five main bearing block.

Clem Clement · 08-25-2011, 04:51 PM

Thanks for the larnin. a nearby Bud hereabouts has a "model B" style engine with a C cast on the block where the diamond can be found. I haven't gone over to see it and will snap a pic when I do.

CA Victoria · 08-25-2011, 05:15 PM

It is amazing how a mis worded question can generate so much interest! LOL
Your words of wisdom are apreciated to help us new to the hobby to understand. All to often words are mis understood where a voice conversation is not.
Thanks for setting me straight on the B vs C issue.

Purdy Swoft · 08-25-2011, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardtimes

Bill/Purdy,
Good questions! I never did see that one. Hmm, wonder how..and WHO can make a post....disap....

It came right under your post about your nos Russian B engine that didn't have the diamond. It was ford garage or vince falter and he's the HIGH sherriff here. hes never wrong but I guess this time he re thought this and deleted the post. Hope I don't get banned again!!!!!!!

CA Victoria · 08-25-2011, 05:47 PM

OK, to ease those in question. I did change the post!
Thanks for the info.

James Rogers · 08-25-2011, 09:23 PM

Actually Vince, the title to this thread was originally about a Model C block and the reference to the C head was in the first post texts, both were asked. Changing the title confuses the issue but doesn't change subsequent posts which retain the original title as RE.

08-24-2011, 04:49 PM	#1
CA Victoria Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,216	4 Cyl Block What is a 4 Cyl B diamond block block worth? It was built in 1970 Pressure tested and maged, no cracks Deck is good Bores are clean Ford 352 Pistons, 4.030" tight and clean Counter balanced crank Main and Rod babbitt is in very good shape Hot home grind A stick with aluminum gear All covers are present C head ??? Last edited by CA Victoria; 08-24-2011 at 09:37 PM.

08-24-2011, 05:02 PM	#2
Logan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 1,055	Re: 4 Cyl C Block That is a very tricky question. It depends on if you're trying to sell it, or buy it and if it has been ran in a car, or just sitting in the garage still a fresh rebuild. If i were selling it, and i knew everything was in good shape it would probably ask about 1500-1800 just because anybody who buys it will question the machine work inside of it. Whether the babbit is truly in cood condition, and if everything was put together correctly. Now if i was going to buy that motor i would probably only give around 1000 maybe a little more for it if i knew the condition of the internals. And the only reason i would pay less, is because there is no guarantee. Meaning there is no warranty with it, and if it were to break, i would be out that money. And this is all based on if it were still a fresh rebuild from the 70's. If its been ran in a car for any length of time, i would pretty much cut both prices in half. __________________ Cowtown A's

08-24-2011, 08:10 PM	#3
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida between Sarasota and TampaSouth Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: 4 Cyl C Block What are you calling a Model C block; Look here for the story of and "C" engine; http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/modelcmyth.htm __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

08-24-2011, 09:00 PM	#4
James Rogers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Asheville,NC Posts: 3,104	Re: 4 Cyl B/C Block All B blocks are diamond marked. No such block as a C. This engine never existed.

08-25-2011, 09:56 AM	#6
Jim Brierley Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 4,251	Re: 4 Cyl Block Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Ford-produced blocks did not have the diamond during regular production years. The diamond is a foundry mark and those blocks were produced in an outside foundry for Ford, mostly for commercial use.

08-25-2011, 03:33 PM	#10
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: 4 Cyl Block Also what happened to the wrong, wrong, wrong post that was under hardtimes post yesterday?

08-25-2011, 03:59 PM	#11
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida between Sarasota and TampaSouth Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: 4 Cyl Block I asked about what he was calling a C Block because his first post was titled "4 cyl C Block" and specified the c block and the c head. I have been reading about Model A's for some years and have several times heard people call the five main block casting a C block, the Diamond block called a C block and even the engine with only a "C" head called a "C" block engine. It was not meant to be anything against CA Victoria but to gather additional information to give him an answer to his, how much is the engine he has worth question. If you look at the threads you will also see one asking "What is a Model C block?" that was spawned from this thread. "There is a fellow Barner asking the worth of a Model C block." I'm sorry if some of you thought my question was out of line but one cannot give the value of something that does not exist but I wanted to give a value of what he had so I was asking an open ended question to gather more information. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

08-25-2011, 04:06 PM	#12
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,192	Re: 4 Cyl Block No offence, Mike, I just didn't see the original first post calling it a "C Block"

08-25-2011, 04:51 PM	#16
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,532	Re: 4 Cyl Block Thanks for the larnin. a nearby Bud hereabouts has a "model B" style engine with a C cast on the block where the diamond can be found. I haven't gone over to see it and will snap a pic when I do.

08-25-2011, 05:15 PM	#17
CA Victoria Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,216	Re: 4 Cyl Block It is amazing how a mis worded question can generate so much interest! LOL Your words of wisdom are apreciated to help us new to the hobby to understand. All to often words are mis understood where a voice conversation is not. Thanks for setting me straight on the B vs C issue.

08-25-2011, 05:47 PM	#19
CA Victoria Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,216	Re: 4 Cyl Block OK, to ease those in question. I did change the post! Thanks for the info.

08-25-2011, 09:23 PM	#20
James Rogers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Asheville,NC Posts: 3,104	Re: 4 Cyl Block Actually Vince, the title to this thread was originally about a Model C block and the reference to the C head was in the first post texts, both were asked. Changing the title confuses the issue but doesn't change subsequent posts which retain the original title as RE.