Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-20-2024, 12:13 PM   #1
32Ford13
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 62
Default Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

As per Paul's video, I installed the complete Bratton's wiring harness with turn signals. Pretty plug and play, nicely done. Once complete, I noticed my turn signals didn't work. First step was to test the flashers (I had a few). All good except one. Not the problem. So last night, I double checked the wiring diagram and forgot about the inline 14A fuse. Saw it was blown, changed it and tried the signals. This time the pilot light on the turn signal on the steering column, lit up for about a second, then went out. Checked the fuse and blown again. Hmmmmm. I've been studying this brown wire and where it goes, and can't figure out what might be the issue. Haven't taken a meter to anything yet, I figured that I would enlist you guys to give me a direction before I call Brattons.
Any ideas boys?
Thank you in advance for your input.
32Ford13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2024, 02:19 PM   #2
nkaminar
Senior Member
 
nkaminar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Western North Carolina
Posts: 5,873
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Take all the bulbs out and see if the fuse still blows then. If it still blows then there is a short to ground somewhere in the wiring or the switch. Get out the meter. Disconnect one thing at time to find the short.

There is another discussion on the forum where there is an apparent short in the brake light switch.
__________________
A is for apple, green as the sky.
Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die.
Forget the brakes, they really don't work.
The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk.
My car grows red hair, and flies through the air.
Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

Last edited by nkaminar; 07-20-2024 at 06:26 PM.
nkaminar is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 07-21-2024, 07:27 AM   #3
32Ford13
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 62
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Thank you so much
32Ford13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2024, 11:40 AM   #4
400-963
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2023
Location: Washington
Posts: 10
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Just wondering it you found the cause yet. I'll be installing a Bratton's harness in soon.
400-963 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2024, 12:12 PM   #5
32Ford13
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 62
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Not yet. I took nkaminar's advice and removed all bulbs, metered for grounding issue in the brake and cowl lights. They checked out fine.


That is as far as I got with my limited time. Tonight I'm going to check for a short in the connector at the base of the steering column. I for sure will reply as to what I find. Thanks for asking.
32Ford13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2024, 12:39 PM   #6
rotorwrench
Senior Member
 
rotorwrench's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 17,411
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
A fuse is there to protect the wiring from shorts otherwise they will burn instead of the fuse. Something is shorting to ground. It could be in any wire in the circuit. This includes the brake light circuit since it has to be controlled any time a signal is selected with the brakes applied. It may be something inside the switch housing but I have no idea what model of aftermarket signal system is involved. Anything made of metal that is grounded will react to contact with a live bit of exposed wire or a terminal too close to a metal housing.

Set up a short stop breaker to supply power. That way you won't need several boxes of fuses to find the short. An Ohm's meter, with isolation of individual sections of the circuit, would be more painless.

Last edited by rotorwrench; 07-22-2024 at 12:45 PM.
rotorwrench is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2024, 04:48 PM   #7
32Ford13
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 62
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Not solved yet, but according to the company that makes the harness for Brattons, a couple of harnesses got out with a short in the shrink wrap on the underside of the turn signal. He told he how to fix it and apologized all over the place for the issue. it was a problem in assembly. I will try the fix tonight and report back. Hat's off to Bratton's and the gentleman who assembled the harness. I appreciate their great customer service trying to help in getting this issue solved.
32Ford13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2024, 08:52 PM   #8
32Ford13
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 62
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

So if you have one of these harnesses that is affected, remove your turn signal assembly from the steering column and turn it over. Remove the two Philips head screws that hold a cap in place. When you remove the cap, you will see one black wire held down by a Philips head screw. If you remove this screw, lift up the wire and inspect the heat shrink tubing. On the bottom where the heat shrink passes over a buss bar you will see a small nick in the heat shrink, shorting the wire to the buss bar causing the problem. A new piece of heat shrink and carefully fitting the wire back in place solves all the grief and turn signals work without blowing a fuse!
I hope this helps someone who is having an issue like I was. I’ve been told that this issue has been fixed in production. The good news is that now I know how to search for shorts and I also know where every single wire in my truck goes to. Thank you guys for your help.
32Ford13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2024, 02:24 AM   #9
Bill G
Senior Member
 
Bill G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Walla Walla, WA
Posts: 1,062
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Often times problems become opportunities. In this case, you not only fixed the problem, but got an education in Model A wiring.
Bill G is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2024, 06:45 AM   #10
Badpuppy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Guthrie, OK
Posts: 1,247
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Bratton's product quality is well-matched with their excellent service. Prices may be higher than the other guys, but well worth it. Don't pinch pennies for the cheap stuff, it's often flimsy and won't fit. Bratton's never disappoints.
Badpuppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2024, 09:23 AM   #11
rotorwrench
Senior Member
 
rotorwrench's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 17,411
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Years ago, when I first started doing business with Bratton's. I noticed that they would give more information about the quality of items in their inventory so the customer could make the choice whether to purchase a specific item or not. They knew that a lot of restoration parts were not made quite like Ford made them but they were the only replacement parts available at the time. Snyder's has also followed a similar path in business relations and I consider both to be on the up & up. There are others hat try but maybe not as much.
rotorwrench is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2024, 09:31 AM   #12
alexiskai
Senior Member
 
alexiskai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Mebane NC
Posts: 2,849
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

The OEM for wiring harnesses for Brattons is Bauer Electronics. I talked to Chris yesterday about making a harness for my phaeton. He said he doesn’t typically do direct-to-consumer but would consider it if you need something custom. Tyree Harris is referring new business to him (Tyree is retiring.)
alexiskai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2024, 01:22 PM   #13
clifforddward
Senior Member
 
clifforddward's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Cary, North Carolina
Posts: 108
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Thank you, 32Ford13, for this explanation of the problem and related solution...I am in the process of installing a Bratton's turn signal wiring harness at the current time (originally purchased a couple of years ago), and with your excellent explanation will be able to inspect my turn signal assembly and take any needed corrective action before placing the harness in my car.

I really appreciate the "heads up" that your posting provides!
__________________
Cliff Ward
Cary, North Carolina
clifforddward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2024, 02:01 PM   #14
Zax40
Senior Member
 
Zax40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 433
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Looks like most of Bratton's harnesses are currently out of stock. How long ago did you order it?
Zax40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2024, 02:51 PM   #15
32Ford13
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 62
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

You are welcome cliffordward. We all need to share these things as it ramps up the learning curve for all of us.
Zax40, I ordered mine back in May.
alexiskai- Yes I did speak with Chris at Bauer. Super helpful and knowledgeable and went over and above to help
Badpuppy - I agree 100%. I'm taking my time with my truck as I don't want to redo things later. Better quality parts and taking my time will benefit me later. This summer is going by so fast, I'm just hoping to get a few more miles in to make sure my basic reliability is there for next year.
As far as the suppliers go, Snyders is in my state and shipping is quick, but like the other suppliers, sometimes parts availability is an issue. All of the suppliers in this hobby have been top shelf and a joy to do business with.
32Ford13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2024, 10:08 AM   #16
400-963
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2023
Location: Washington
Posts: 10
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Thank you 32Ford13! I purchase my harness in May also. If I have the same problem I know where to start. Good information!
400-963 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2024, 11:43 AM   #17
32Ford13
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 62
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

do yourself a favor and have a look at it before installation. Much easier. FYI.
You guys are welcome.
32Ford13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2024, 04:08 PM   #18
clifforddward
Senior Member
 
clifforddward's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Cary, North Carolina
Posts: 108
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

It was an easy inspection...unscrew the two phillips screws on the back (non lighted side) of the signal switch, then inspect the ground wire under the phillips screw (location is pretty obvious, it is the only screw holding a wire ring connector inside)...mine was fine...button things back up and it's on with the installation!
__________________
Cliff Ward
Cary, North Carolina
clifforddward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2024, 04:32 PM   #19
32Ford13
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 62
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Glad it was ok! Now you can do the install with a clear head, not worrying.
32Ford13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2024, 05:54 PM   #20
mhsprecher
Senior Member
 
mhsprecher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Takoma Park, MD
Posts: 2,963
Default Re: Bratton harness turn signal fuse keeps blowing

Sorry to hear that Tyree is retiring. He has been an excellent supplier. I have bought a few harnesses for him and helped him get a part for his Model A few years ago.
__________________
1910 Model T Touring
1924 Model T Coupe
1928 Model A Roadster
1930 Model A Town Sedan
1939 Deluxe Fordor
1945 pickup
1951 Custom convertible
mhsprecher is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:54 AM.