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30aadoodlebug · 09-29-2019, 03:30 AM

I started to clean up the rear end in my shoebox woodie yesterday. All of the internals within the pumpkin look good upon initial inspection, but I need to get the axle shaft and hub assemblies out so I can change the seals and rear inner wheel bearings.

The Factory manual shows a slide hammer set up with an integral hub puller assembly on it to do the job. I have a slide hammer, but not the proper tool for the pulling job. I also have come to the conclusion that finding one of these is harder than finding hen's teeth.

Has anyone run into this before? If so, how did you pull the shaft/hubs out?

Thanks in advance,

Jon

richard crow · 09-29-2019, 06:11 AM

bolt the rear drum on back wards you can pull on it or ues a malet to loosen up the axle they are not usealy that tight

30aadoodlebug · 09-29-2019, 12:56 PM

Richard,

I just tried, but to no avail. These things are cemented on. The axle shafts are just pressure fitted via the splines to the carriers, correct? or is there something more holding them together in there?

tubman · 09-29-2019, 01:14 PM

You did remove the backing plates and axle retainers didn't you?

30aadoodlebug · 09-29-2019, 01:25 PM

Axle retainers are loose. backing plates are loose but both cant come off until the hub is pulled. This shot shows the drum on backwards per Richard's suggestion. Im young and strong. This didn't budge.

30aadoodlebug · 09-29-2019, 01:30 PM

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of course I cant upload any picture to the site now...

30aadoodlebug · 09-29-2019, 01:49 PM

Since I cant post pictures at this time, I'm just going to throw out a guess and see if you all agree. The car was given to me by my uncle. Its his albatross. In fact, half the parts on the car were stolen by the man who began the restoration including the original flathead. He was screwed on the restoration, and lied to about the true condition of the car. The car had two very poor restorations done to it in its life. My guess is someone changed all the spider and ring gears in the differential, but did nothing with the axle shafts. Before the most recent restoration, the car sat in mud for at least a decade. My guess is the original axle seals were reused and allowed water to seep in; therefore causing rust on the splines.

JSeery · 09-29-2019, 02:07 PM

Can you look in the fill/drain holes and see what is going on? They make a slide hammer attachment that will bolt to the axle studs. Might be able to borrow one from a parts place.

Ford Freak · 09-29-2019, 10:18 PM

The slide hammer type axle puller shown above will get-r-done ! You can rent one from most auto parts stores .

30aadoodlebug · 09-30-2019, 04:01 PM

Thanks for the info guys!!!. I sealed the pumpkin back up, and loaded it with mystery oil and ATF. should help.

30aadoodlebug · 10-09-2019, 02:32 PM

Alas, I still cant get the damn shaft out. I wish I could post some pictures here, but the site wont let me. Im open to any suggestions.

Thanks

JSeery · 10-09-2019, 03:43 PM

Email me the photos you want posted, I will post them for you. [email protected]

30aadoodlebug · 10-09-2019, 04:48 PM

email sent

JSeery · 10-09-2019, 05:09 PM

Ok, files showed up. I post them in a bit.

JSeery · 10-09-2019, 06:37 PM

Axle photos.

Mart · 10-10-2019, 04:37 AM

Have you tried a slide hammer?

I am thinking you might be able to jack it out of there using the bolts that hold the retainer and backplate to the axle. Put two opposing bolts back in. Cut a piece of bar or use a nut and bolt to jam between the retainer bolt and the axle flange. Then back the bolts out a flat at a time, alternating between the two, and jack the axle out of the casing.

It might work.

Mart.

JSeery · 10-10-2019, 07:45 AM

I know nothing about this year/model axle! But is there any chance it has inter axle clips?

Zeke3 · 10-10-2019, 08:32 AM

Jseery may be on to something about using clips. I have a 1964-70 Motors manual and it shows an integral housing Ford rear axle that looks similar to what your pictures show that uses C clips on the axle ends. The steps to remove them are:
1. Working through the differential case opening, remove the pinion shaft lock bolt and pinion shaft.
2. Push axle shafts inward toward center of axle housing and remove the C locks from housing.

The pinion shaft is visible in your picture showing the gears. Look to see if you can see the clips on the ends of the axle.

rich b · 10-10-2019, 02:46 PM

My Motors book shows a break down of the wagon rears and there are no axle clips; just the outer bearing retainer.

They have the slide hammer adapter you can borrow at O'Reilly's.

More than a few times I have had to put the rosebud on my torch and heat the end of the axle housing in combination with the slide hammer to get them pulled.

JSeery · 10-10-2019, 02:48 PM

Rich, then it's the bearing in the outer end of the axle that is tight?

09-29-2019, 03:30 AM	#1
30aadoodlebug Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Boxborough, MA Posts: 274	Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie I started to clean up the rear end in my shoebox woodie yesterday. All of the internals within the pumpkin look good upon initial inspection, but I need to get the axle shaft and hub assemblies out so I can change the seals and rear inner wheel bearings. The Factory manual shows a slide hammer set up with an integral hub puller assembly on it to do the job. I have a slide hammer, but not the proper tool for the pulling job. I also have come to the conclusion that finding one of these is harder than finding hen's teeth. Has anyone run into this before? If so, how did you pull the shaft/hubs out? Thanks in advance, Jon

09-29-2019, 06:11 AM	#2
richard crow Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,865	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie bolt the rear drum on back wards you can pull on it or ues a malet to loosen up the axle they are not usealy that tight

09-29-2019, 12:56 PM	#3
30aadoodlebug Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Boxborough, MA Posts: 274	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Richard, I just tried, but to no avail. These things are cemented on. The axle shafts are just pressure fitted via the splines to the carriers, correct? or is there something more holding them together in there?

09-29-2019, 01:14 PM	#4
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 11,639	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie You did remove the backing plates and axle retainers didn't you?

09-29-2019, 01:25 PM	#5
30aadoodlebug Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Boxborough, MA Posts: 274	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Axle retainers are loose. backing plates are loose but both cant come off until the hub is pulled. This shot shows the drum on backwards per Richard's suggestion. Im young and strong. This didn't budge.

09-29-2019, 01:30 PM	#6
30aadoodlebug Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Boxborough, MA Posts: 274	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) of course I cant upload any picture to the site now...

09-29-2019, 01:49 PM	#7
30aadoodlebug Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Boxborough, MA Posts: 274	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Since I cant post pictures at this time, I'm just going to throw out a guess and see if you all agree. The car was given to me by my uncle. Its his albatross. In fact, half the parts on the car were stolen by the man who began the restoration including the original flathead. He was screwed on the restoration, and lied to about the true condition of the car. The car had two very poor restorations done to it in its life. My guess is someone changed all the spider and ring gears in the differential, but did nothing with the axle shafts. Before the most recent restoration, the car sat in mud for at least a decade. My guess is the original axle seals were reused and allowed water to seep in; therefore causing rust on the splines.

09-29-2019, 10:18 PM	#9
Ford Freak Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Pittsford NY. USA Posts: 1,249	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie The slide hammer type axle puller shown above will get-r-done ! You can rent one from most auto parts stores .

09-30-2019, 04:01 PM	#10
30aadoodlebug Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Boxborough, MA Posts: 274	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Thanks for the info guys!!!. I sealed the pumpkin back up, and loaded it with mystery oil and ATF. should help.

10-09-2019, 02:32 PM	#11
30aadoodlebug Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Boxborough, MA Posts: 274	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Alas, I still cant get the damn shaft out. I wish I could post some pictures here, but the site wont let me. Im open to any suggestions. Thanks

10-09-2019, 03:43 PM	#12
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Email me the photos you want posted, I will post them for you. [email protected]

10-09-2019, 04:48 PM	#13
30aadoodlebug Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Boxborough, MA Posts: 274	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie email sent

10-09-2019, 05:09 PM	#14
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Ok, files showed up. I post them in a bit.

10-10-2019, 04:37 AM	#16
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 9,088	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Have you tried a slide hammer? I am thinking you might be able to jack it out of there using the bolts that hold the retainer and backplate to the axle. Put two opposing bolts back in. Cut a piece of bar or use a nut and bolt to jam between the retainer bolt and the axle flange. Then back the bolts out a flat at a time, alternating between the two, and jack the axle out of the casing. It might work. Mart.

10-10-2019, 07:45 AM	#17
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie I know nothing about this year/model axle! But is there any chance it has inter axle clips?

10-10-2019, 08:32 AM	#18
Zeke3 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,592	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Jseery may be on to something about using clips. I have a 1964-70 Motors manual and it shows an integral housing Ford rear axle that looks similar to what your pictures show that uses C clips on the axle ends. The steps to remove them are: 1. Working through the differential case opening, remove the pinion shaft lock bolt and pinion shaft. 2. Push axle shafts inward toward center of axle housing and remove the C locks from housing. The pinion shaft is visible in your picture showing the gears. Look to see if you can see the clips on the ends of the axle.

10-10-2019, 02:46 PM	#19
rich b Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,028	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie My Motors book shows a break down of the wagon rears and there are no axle clips; just the outer bearing retainer. They have the slide hammer adapter you can borrow at O'Reilly's. More than a few times I have had to put the rosebud on my torch and heat the end of the axle housing in combination with the slide hammer to get them pulled.

10-10-2019, 02:48 PM	#20
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Pulling rear hub and axle shaft assembly on 50 woodie Rich, then it's the bearing in the outer end of the axle that is tight?