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Ford_Freddie · 03-15-2014, 02:48 PM

Hello, does anyone know how to identify Ford A built under licence in Russia or South America. It's important for me to get a car made in USA. Many thanks.

Tudortomnz · 03-15-2014, 04:16 PM

Most Model A's assembled in Sth America will be RHD & be US produced [ not Canadian with ''C'' stamped blocks, Robertson trim screws, different bumper clamps etc]. There are many of these that have gone to the US in recent years.
A Russian Model A outside the old USSR would be rare. Actually, there were US Model A's assembled in the USSR near the end of production [ Ford Badged] but after production ended Ford allowed the Russian Factory to produce vehicles based on the Model A, most being AA type trucks; these are the well known Gaz cars. They received all the tooling to make them but Ford was never repaid in full & Henry swore he would never do business with Reds again!.. well, that is the story.
I think if you are worried about buying a Soviet Model A, it would be obvious, but if someone offers you a RHD , it could require some investigation to find its origins, but not difficult if you put up some photos here.

redmodelt · 03-15-2014, 05:17 PM

It is my understanding except for trucks all GAZ's were open touring cars.

Mike V. Florida · 03-15-2014, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ford_Freddie

Hello, does anyone know how to identify Ford A built under licence in Russia or South America. It's important for me to get a car made in USA. Many thanks.

Is that for import reasons, or personal preference?

Ford_Freddie · 03-16-2014, 10:31 AM

Thank's a lot. Yes, I prefer an original Model A. I don't know if the russian GAZ is as good as the original Ford A.

Bruce Lancaster · 03-17-2014, 01:43 PM

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Look over the serial information on Vince Falter's Model A/ Model B barnyard.
In Europe, you will encounter both USA cars either exported as cars or exported as parts and assembled in a number of places, British built stuff (USA type serials, USA engines until 1931, British built engines after), you will find some AF small bore A's, you will find British A and AA's built long after 1931, etc.
There are books listing European assembly plants for Ford USA...these will be basically American cars with features in lighting and such to meet local laws and will generally have elaborate serial number and specification plates not found on cars produced in USA. Both USA and GB plants supplied LHD and RHD as needed for local markets.
I do not know a whole lot about Ford Germany or when exactly they started making four cylinder engines...by mid 1930's they were a Ford factory, but I think they were rapidly increasing German manufactured content before then. I think also that they had links to both Ford USA and Ford England (mostly AF and small car) for parts and design.

03-15-2014, 02:48 PM	#1
Ford_Freddie Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Rosenheim/Germany Posts: 39	Identification of cars produced under licence Hello, does anyone know how to identify Ford A built under licence in Russia or South America. It's important for me to get a car made in USA. Many thanks.

03-15-2014, 04:16 PM	#2
Tudortomnz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canterbury, New Zealand Posts: 1,242	Re: Identification of cars produced under licence Most Model A's assembled in Sth America will be RHD & be US produced [ not Canadian with ''C'' stamped blocks, Robertson trim screws, different bumper clamps etc]. There are many of these that have gone to the US in recent years. A Russian Model A outside the old USSR would be rare. Actually, there were US Model A's assembled in the USSR near the end of production [ Ford Badged] but after production ended Ford allowed the Russian Factory to produce vehicles based on the Model A, most being AA type trucks; these are the well known Gaz cars. They received all the tooling to make them but Ford was never repaid in full & Henry swore he would never do business with Reds again!.. well, that is the story. I think if you are worried about buying a Soviet Model A, it would be obvious, but if someone offers you a RHD , it could require some investigation to find its origins, but not difficult if you put up some photos here.

03-15-2014, 05:17 PM	#3
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,410	Re: Identification of cars produced under licence It is my understanding except for trucks all GAZ's were open touring cars.

03-16-2014, 10:31 AM	#5
Ford_Freddie Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Rosenheim/Germany Posts: 39	Re: Identification of cars produced under licence Thank's a lot. Yes, I prefer an original Model A. I don't know if the russian GAZ is as good as the original Ford A.

03-17-2014, 01:43 PM	#6
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Identification of cars produced under licence Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Look over the serial information on Vince Falter's Model A/ Model B barnyard. In Europe, you will encounter both USA cars either exported as cars or exported as parts and assembled in a number of places, British built stuff (USA type serials, USA engines until 1931, British built engines after), you will find some AF small bore A's, you will find British A and AA's built long after 1931, etc. There are books listing European assembly plants for Ford USA...these will be basically American cars with features in lighting and such to meet local laws and will generally have elaborate serial number and specification plates not found on cars produced in USA. Both USA and GB plants supplied LHD and RHD as needed for local markets. I do not know a whole lot about Ford Germany or when exactly they started making four cylinder engines...by mid 1930's they were a Ford factory, but I think they were rapidly increasing German manufactured content before then. I think also that they had links to both Ford USA and Ford England (mostly AF and small car) for parts and design.