The Ford Barn

hardtimes · 07-10-2017, 02:22 PM

I always seen / read how Ford made his many parts with consistency. Not hard to believe considering the millions of cars (Model As) that he made.

I was just checking in pile of stuff. Looked at three crank nuts and wondered why the differences. Anyone have ideas about why these 3 are not exact copies of each other

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-10-2017, 02:51 PM

Side note: I worked on Hillmans that had a cast on POT METAL head & was always LOOSENING!---I used a Chrysler bolt, with a heavy flat washer & a Star washer & they never loosened again.
Bill Improvisor (Mickeymouser)

wrndln · 07-10-2017, 02:51 PM

Are you sure they are all Ford made parts? There were many aftermarket parts makers over the years (jep (sp) parts Ford called them). I suspect one or more of the parts in your picture might be repros. I have seen the same thing with crank bolts - differences and always chalked it up to repro parts. I even had one that wouldn't thread into the crank threads - I don't think Ford would make any parts like that.
Rusty Nelson

Joe K · 07-10-2017, 02:54 PM

One of these may be for the Ford V8 - which had the nut. In one of my books the author/rebuilder advises that the V8 version is "superior material" and is to be preferred in the Model A application.

Dunno, could be hearsay.

Otherwise I would have to put it to subcontractor variation. Ford used MANY subcontractors - sometimes the pieces would be marked for traceability, other times not.

One of the vendors for the V8 nut repop advertises "1-1/8 hex" like there may be others out there?

Joe K

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-10-2017, 04:56 PM

What was the last year for crank nuts on Fords?
Bill W.

RawhideKid · 07-10-2017, 04:57 PM

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1941 was the last usable crank nut that I can remember. The '42 on didn't have a hole in the grill for the crank handle.

H. L. Chauvin · 07-10-2017, 05:11 PM

Years ago, while attending high school, I saw one guy everyday going to work with a half-dead battery who cranked his Model B Ford everyday on the ferry boat.

Per Bill's question no. 5 ..... was that particular question aimed at Ford Nuts inside the car, or Ford Nuts inside the engine compartment?

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-10-2017, 05:16 PM

Buster T, calls me a "CRANK NUT"---Whudda' you do with a SA Dog???
Dogs' Dad

BirchRidge · 07-10-2017, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

What was the last year for crank nuts on Fords?
Bill W.

I believe 1948, at least both my -47 fords had crank nuts

Tom Wesenberg · 07-10-2017, 08:14 PM

I wonder if the Ford cars and trucks ended the hand crank nut at the same time?

My 1949 Chevy 1 1/2 ton truck with a 216 engine still has a hand crank.
My 1950 Studebaker car still has the hand crank bolt, but no hole through the grill.

Synchro909 · 07-10-2017, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

Buster T, calls me a "CRANK NUT"---Whudda' you do with a SA Dog???
Dogs' Dad

Sounds like you have one HOT DOG there, Bill.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-10-2017, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synchro909

Sounds like you have one HOT DOG there, Bill.

Living ALONE, he's the JOY of my LIFE!!!
Bill Happy

Synchro909 · 07-10-2017, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

Living ALONE, he's the JOY of my LIFE!!!
Bill Happy

I understand that. A dog is more than a pet - they're a companion.

California Travieso · 07-10-2017, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BirchRidge

I believe 1948, at least both my -47 fords had crank nuts

You may be right. Ford made a big change in the '49 Model year. I believe '48 was the last year for the 59AB engine. That's what my '48 had, although I can't remember if it had a crank.

David Serrano

redmodelt · 07-11-2017, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawhideKid

1941 was the last usable crank nut that I can remember. The '42 on didn't have a hole in the grill for the crank handle.

My 1948 F2 has the hole and nut for cranking, great for setting timing and adjusting valves. I know the 6 still had it and think the V8 may have also. This may be just a truck thing.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-11-2017, 09:43 AM

I had a'41 Convertible, quite sure it was the last "crank" car. It took 3 YARDS of cold roll, to build my own CRANK!!!
Bill Huffing

07-10-2017, 02:51 PM	#2
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Nuts Q... Side note: I worked on Hillmans that had a cast on POT METAL head & was always LOOSENING!---I used a Chrysler bolt, with a heavy flat washer & a Star washer & they never loosened again. Bill Improvisor (Mickeymouser) __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

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wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,297	Re: Nuts Q... Are you sure they are all Ford made parts? There were many aftermarket parts makers over the years (jep (sp) parts Ford called them). I suspect one or more of the parts in your picture might be repros. I have seen the same thing with crank bolts - differences and always chalked it up to repro parts. I even had one that wouldn't thread into the crank threads - I don't think Ford would make any parts like that. Rusty Nelson

07-10-2017, 02:54 PM	#4
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,609	Re: Nuts Q... One of these may be for the Ford V8 - which had the nut. In one of my books the author/rebuilder advises that the V8 version is "superior material" and is to be preferred in the Model A application. Dunno, could be hearsay. Otherwise I would have to put it to subcontractor variation. Ford used MANY subcontractors - sometimes the pieces would be marked for traceability, other times not. One of the vendors for the V8 nut repop advertises "1-1/8 hex" like there may be others out there? Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

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BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Nuts Q... What was the last year for crank nuts on Fords? Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

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RawhideKid BANNED Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Lower Left Coast Posts: 469	Re: Nuts Q... Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) 1941 was the last usable crank nut that I can remember. The '42 on didn't have a hole in the grill for the crank handle. __________________ Before Walmart you had to buy a ticket to the fair to see a bearded lady! Last edited by RawhideKid; 07-10-2017 at 08:29 PM.

07-10-2017, 05:11 PM	#7
H. L. Chauvin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,179	Re: Nuts Q... Years ago, while attending high school, I saw one guy everyday going to work with a half-dead battery who cranked his Model B Ford everyday on the ferry boat. Per Bill's question no. 5 ..... was that particular question aimed at Ford Nuts inside the car, or Ford Nuts inside the engine compartment?

07-10-2017, 05:16 PM	#8
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Nuts Q... Buster T, calls me a "CRANK NUT"---Whudda' you do with a SA Dog??? Dogs' Dad __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

07-10-2017, 08:14 PM	#10
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Nuts Q... I wonder if the Ford cars and trucks ended the hand crank nut at the same time? My 1949 Chevy 1 1/2 ton truck with a 216 engine still has a hand crank. My 1950 Studebaker car still has the hand crank bolt, but no hole through the grill.

07-11-2017, 09:43 AM	#16
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Nuts Q... I had a'41 Convertible, quite sure it was the last "crank" car. It took 3 YARDS of cold roll, to build my own CRANK!!! Bill Huffing __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"