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Y-Blockhead · 01-17-2015, 01:17 PM

Under my '30 Town Sedan the previous owner installed the floor using these Phillips flat head wood screws. I'm hoping they're not dry wall screws. Can someone point me in the right direction of what the proper screw head should be? Slotted yes but flat, round, oval?

I bought this book hoping it would list the various screws I need but it does not.
http://www.amazon.com/Ford-model-sta...ndard+hardware

Thanks

Tom Wesenberg · 01-17-2015, 04:12 PM

The wood floorboards should be held down with flat head machine screws and finishing washers, both available from the Model A parts dealers.

Charlie Stephens · 01-17-2015, 04:26 PM

Before you order the correct screws you might pull one out to see if it is a dry wall screw (they look like they are but it is hard to tell from the photo). If they destroyed the threads in the "D nuts" (I think that is what they are called, anyway the threads in the body) you will need to replace the "D nuts" and you will want to order them at the same time. Alternatively go to a well stocked hardware store and find screws with heads that match but are a slightly larger diameter. Drill and tap the "D nuts" for the larger screw. Try Culver City Industrial Hardware, (310) 398-1251, (323) 870-5094, they have a good stock of nuts and bolts.

Charlie Stephens

Charles Coe · 01-17-2015, 04:51 PM

Tom,
That looks to me like a sheet metal rear floor attached to a wood sub-frame with some type of wood screws. I'm sure the originals had slot heads but I have no idea of the size.

Charlie Stephens · 01-17-2015, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Coe

Tom,
That looks to me like a sheet metal rear floor attached to a wood sub-frame with some type of wood screws. I'm sure the originals had slot heads but I have no idea of the size.

Charles,

I think you hit it. I was thinking that he was asking about the screws that held down the floor boards under the drivers feet. I wasn't sure what he was trying show with the photos.

Charlie Stephens

Y-Blockhead · 01-17-2015, 09:04 PM

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Sorry about the confusion, I should have been more specific about which screws. I was focused on the ones Charles Coe mentioned and didn't even see the others in the pictures.

Yes Charles is correct. The pictures are from under the car. The screws that go thru the sheet metal into the wood (Red pieces). So what screw heads do you think?

After studying the Standard Hardware book Ford used 4 Wood screws, Flat Head, French Head (picture looks like an oval head), Round Head and Lag Screw. I'm thinking the round head but I have no idea if that is correct. The book lists a #9 x 5/8" and a #10 x 1" but does not say where they go.

The other screws that are poking thru I'm going to have to trim off. They are from the previous owner where he moved the front seat back for me because I had a hard time with interference with my legs and the steering wheel.

Charles Coe · 01-17-2015, 09:37 PM

I'm sure somebody who has worked on an original 30 Fordor will have the answer for you. The right guy just hasn't read your question yet.

The Master Cylinder · 01-18-2015, 10:41 AM

I can't say for sure but since the holes don't appear to be countersunk I would think they would be slotted round head wood screws.

Like Charles said above, "The right guy just hasn't read your question yet." Somebody must have a Town Sedan with the correct screws n that location.

Marco Tahtaras · 01-18-2015, 12:45 PM

The pan in question was called "Front seat tool box bottom" and I believe was installed with #8 round head screws. Ordinarily they wouldn't be seen from below the car but in your case the pan was installed upside down. When installed correctly the "tool box" would be deeper! Unfortunately, with your seat modification as well as the added cut-off switch, returning it to normal would be a bit of a chore.

Y-Blockhead · 01-18-2015, 08:23 PM

Marco, thank you. I'm new to Model A's and would have never known it was upside down, haha. Don't know why but that really makes me laugh...

No wonder the other guys had a hard time with it. I will look into how hard it would be the flip it over. Not a high priority but I would like it to be "somewhat" correct.

Marco, one last question while we're under here. What color should the wood be? Or should it be left red (looks like Rustoleum)?

Terry, NJ · 01-19-2015, 08:06 AM

I have a 30 T.S. that I believe was untouched in that department and Marco is right. They are # 8 roundhead 5/8" 0r 3/4" long, slotted head, wood screws , no D-nuts!
All the wood (original) was painted with a black Pyroxylin (sp) laquer . I used Rustoleum satin black on mine.
Terry

Y-Blockhead · 01-19-2015, 08:51 AM

Excellent! Thanks Terry. #8 roundhead X 5/8" it is. And Rustoleum satin black.

I want to coat the metal with Rustoleum Rust Reformer also to prevent and protect against (more) corrosion.

Rustoleum Rust Reformer

01-17-2015, 04:12 PM	#2
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Help with proper screws. The wood floorboards should be held down with flat head machine screws and finishing washers, both available from the Model A parts dealers.

01-17-2015, 04:26 PM	#3
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,305	Re: Help with proper screws. Before you order the correct screws you might pull one out to see if it is a dry wall screw (they look like they are but it is hard to tell from the photo). If they destroyed the threads in the "D nuts" (I think that is what they are called, anyway the threads in the body) you will need to replace the "D nuts" and you will want to order them at the same time. Alternatively go to a well stocked hardware store and find screws with heads that match but are a slightly larger diameter. Drill and tap the "D nuts" for the larger screw. Try Culver City Industrial Hardware, (310) 398-1251, (323) 870-5094, they have a good stock of nuts and bolts. Charlie Stephens

01-17-2015, 04:51 PM	#4
Charles Coe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pace, FL near Pensacola Posts: 374	Re: Help with proper screws. Tom, That looks to me like a sheet metal rear floor attached to a wood sub-frame with some type of wood screws. I'm sure the originals had slot heads but I have no idea of the size.

01-17-2015, 09:04 PM	#6
Y-Blockhead Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 6,652	Re: Help with proper screws. Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Sorry about the confusion, I should have been more specific about which screws. I was focused on the ones Charles Coe mentioned and didn't even see the others in the pictures. Yes Charles is correct. The pictures are from under the car. The screws that go thru the sheet metal into the wood (Red pieces). So what screw heads do you think? After studying the Standard Hardware book Ford used 4 Wood screws, Flat Head, French Head (picture looks like an oval head), Round Head and Lag Screw. I'm thinking the round head but I have no idea if that is correct. The book lists a #9 x 5/8" and a #10 x 1" but does not say where they go. The other screws that are poking thru I'm going to have to trim off. They are from the previous owner where he moved the front seat back for me because I had a hard time with interference with my legs and the steering wheel. Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 01-17-2015 at 09:12 PM.

01-17-2015, 09:37 PM	#7
Charles Coe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pace, FL near Pensacola Posts: 374	Re: Help with proper screws. I'm sure somebody who has worked on an original 30 Fordor will have the answer for you. The right guy just hasn't read your question yet.

01-17-2015, 01:17 PM	#1
Y-Blockhead Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 6,652	Help with proper screws. Under my '30 Town Sedan the previous owner installed the floor using these Phillips flat head wood screws. I'm hoping they're not dry wall screws. Can someone point me in the right direction of what the proper screw head should be? Slotted yes but flat, round, oval? I bought this book hoping it would list the various screws I need but it does not. http://www.amazon.com/Ford-model-sta...ndard+hardware Thanks Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 01-28-2015 at 12:25 PM.

01-18-2015, 10:41 AM	#8
The Master Cylinder Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: The Moon Posts: 999	Re: Help with proper screws. I can't say for sure but since the holes don't appear to be countersunk I would think they would be slotted round head wood screws. Like Charles said above, "The right guy just hasn't read your question yet." Somebody must have a Town Sedan with the correct screws n that location. __________________ The Master Cylinder Enjoying life at the beach in SoCal...

01-18-2015, 12:45 PM	#9
Marco Tahtaras Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,099	Re: Help with proper screws. The pan in question was called "Front seat tool box bottom" and I believe was installed with #8 round head screws. Ordinarily they wouldn't be seen from below the car but in your case the pan was installed upside down. When installed correctly the "tool box" would be deeper! Unfortunately, with your seat modification as well as the added cut-off switch, returning it to normal would be a bit of a chore. __________________ http://www.abarnyard.com/

01-18-2015, 08:23 PM	#10
Y-Blockhead Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 6,652	Re: Help with proper screws. Marco, thank you. I'm new to Model A's and would have never known it was upside down, haha. Don't know why but that really makes me laugh... No wonder the other guys had a hard time with it. I will look into how hard it would be the flip it over. Not a high priority but I would like it to be "somewhat" correct. Marco, one last question while we're under here. What color should the wood be? Or should it be left red (looks like Rustoleum)?

01-19-2015, 08:06 AM	#11
Terry, NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks Co, Pa Posts: 3,749	Re: Help with proper screws. I have a 30 T.S. that I believe was untouched in that department and Marco is right. They are # 8 roundhead 5/8" 0r 3/4" long, slotted head, wood screws , no D-nuts! All the wood (original) was painted with a black Pyroxylin (sp) laquer . I used Rustoleum satin black on mine. Terry

01-19-2015, 08:51 AM	#12
Y-Blockhead Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 6,652	Re: Help with proper screws. Excellent! Thanks Terry. #8 roundhead X 5/8" it is. And Rustoleum satin black. I want to coat the metal with Rustoleum Rust Reformer also to prevent and protect against (more) corrosion. Rustoleum Rust Reformer Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 01-19-2015 at 08:59 AM.