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FordCustom · 05-15-2014, 06:56 AM

I am thinking it's just out of time possibly, but not certain of it. New plugs, wires, coil, cap, rotor, points and condensor, etc. I don't have a fuel source hooked up at the moment, just dribbling a little gas down the carb with the choke set (new cable on that, and carb has been gone through as well) It cranked slow until the gas started going in, then the cranking speed doubled. I got a little smoke out of the breather, and a few smokey backfires out the muffler. It's close to running, but something's amiss. Could it just be out of time? I have the points set with a feeler gauge, etc.

Ahh the joys of bringing an engine back from the dead.....

19Fordy · 05-15-2014, 09:06 AM

Sounds like the timing is 180 degrees off and/or the firing order is incorrect. First check the firing order (1,5,4,8,6,3,7,2) then the timing.
Read all this for more info. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...ght=8ba+timing

FordCustom · 05-15-2014, 09:13 AM

I replaced the plug wires closely following a diagram starting at number one. I will look it over this evening. Thanks.

FordCustom · 05-15-2014, 10:17 AM

So the points should be pointing up and on the left side as a starting point. The vacuum advance diaphram is pointed up, and the line for it pointed off at an angle towards the carb. How about plug wires touching? They are wire core, so would they arc from one to the other if touching?

Seth Swoboda · 05-15-2014, 10:49 AM

Read 19Fordy's post again. Even though the plug wires are all in the right location the timing can still be 180 degrees off. Put the engine up on #1TDC and the rotor should point to the #1 plug on the distributor and the dimple on the crank pulley should line up with the pointer. It's easy to check and if your timing is set correctly, then I would go back to the condensor.

APDAVE · 05-15-2014, 11:02 AM

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I had that problem with a bad coil on my 52 Ford! Just another place to look after the other checks. Dave

tiquer · 05-15-2014, 11:03 AM

A few back fires out the muffler? seems if it were out 180 it would fire out the crb too. Maybe only out by a gear tooth and is too retarded to catch and start. You also state it turns faster when it gets fuel, also a hint of the timeing being out. Just a thought.

FordCustom · 05-15-2014, 01:59 PM

New coil new points new condensor..as said earlier. Doesn't meAn they can't be bad though. I will give wverything a once kver tonight starting with checking TDC.

FordCustom · 05-15-2014, 02:00 PM

A lot of vehicles will run with the distributor out 180. I take it these will not?

Cecil/WV · 05-15-2014, 02:02 PM

What????

19Fordy · 05-15-2014, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordCustom

A lot of vehicles will run with the distributor out 180. I take it these will not?

Never, ever heard or seen that .
Please explain and give an example.
Thanks.

FordCustom · 05-15-2014, 04:46 PM

I swear I read that in a book, long ago in the pre internet days. I could be wrong, or the book was wrong?

flatjack9 · 05-15-2014, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordCustom

A lot of vehicles will run with the distributor out 180. I take it these will not?

Really? I'd like to read that book.

s55mercury66 · 05-15-2014, 05:36 PM

If the distributor cap was 180 out....better toss that book

Ronnie · 05-15-2014, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordCustom

A lot of vehicles will run with the distributor out 180. I take it these will not?

Name 3 !!!

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FordCustom · 05-15-2014, 06:08 PM

Well, I am finally home, and about to look it over. I will be back with my findings. Silly me to assume it was running when stored 25-30 years ago..

53OlderThanMe · 05-15-2014, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordCustom

Well, I am finally home, and about to look it over. I will be back with my findings. Silly me to assume it was running when stored 25-30 years ago..

Ahhh the old ran when parked.

FordCustom · 05-15-2014, 07:07 PM

Oh wow!!! My brain was playing tricks on me when I was installing the wires, and bigtime! All of the diagrams show the distributor connections going around one way on the diagram, and the close up of the distributor is flipped.. Somehow I had ALL the wires going around the distributor the opposite direction of how they were supposed to be. . I yanked all the wires off, trusted the ancient cap I had with the numbers hand painted on it, annnnd....

It sprang to life and idled like a brand new engine until the gas I dribbled down the carb ran out. No ticks, no knocks, nothing. It ran quietly, and the smithy muffler I shoved on the end of the rusty tailpipe beat out a steady lumlumlumlumlum.. I am ecstatic, as you might imagine!! Thanks for the help guys..!!

Willit Stop · 05-15-2014, 07:37 PM

It doesn't get any better than this!

FordCustom · 05-15-2014, 08:16 PM

And just to have proof that it actually did fire up

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http://s114.photobucket.com/albums/n...c7d40.mp4.html

05-15-2014, 09:06 AM	#2
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 11,605	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. Sounds like the timing is 180 degrees off and/or the firing order is incorrect. First check the firing order (1,5,4,8,6,3,7,2) then the timing. Read all this for more info. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...ght=8ba+timing

05-15-2014, 09:13 AM	#3
FordCustom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houston, Tejas Posts: 274	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. I replaced the plug wires closely following a diagram starting at number one. I will look it over this evening. Thanks.

05-15-2014, 10:17 AM	#4
FordCustom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houston, Tejas Posts: 274	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. So the points should be pointing up and on the left side as a starting point. The vacuum advance diaphram is pointed up, and the line for it pointed off at an angle towards the carb. How about plug wires touching? They are wire core, so would they arc from one to the other if touching?

05-15-2014, 10:49 AM	#5
Seth Swoboda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 4,079	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. Read 19Fordy's post again. Even though the plug wires are all in the right location the timing can still be 180 degrees off. Put the engine up on #1TDC and the rotor should point to the #1 plug on the distributor and the dimple on the crank pulley should line up with the pointer. It's easy to check and if your timing is set correctly, then I would go back to the condensor.

05-15-2014, 11:02 AM	#6
APDAVE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 238	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I had that problem with a bad coil on my 52 Ford! Just another place to look after the other checks. Dave

05-15-2014, 06:56 AM	#1
FordCustom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houston, Tejas Posts: 274	8BA, pops and backfires but no start. I am thinking it's just out of time possibly, but not certain of it. New plugs, wires, coil, cap, rotor, points and condensor, etc. I don't have a fuel source hooked up at the moment, just dribbling a little gas down the carb with the choke set (new cable on that, and carb has been gone through as well) It cranked slow until the gas started going in, then the cranking speed doubled. I got a little smoke out of the breather, and a few smokey backfires out the muffler. It's close to running, but something's amiss. Could it just be out of time? I have the points set with a feeler gauge, etc. Ahh the joys of bringing an engine back from the dead.....

05-15-2014, 11:03 AM	#7
tiquer Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Kamloops B.C. Posts: 392	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. A few back fires out the muffler? seems if it were out 180 it would fire out the crb too. Maybe only out by a gear tooth and is too retarded to catch and start. You also state it turns faster when it gets fuel, also a hint of the timeing being out. Just a thought.

05-15-2014, 01:59 PM	#8
FordCustom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houston, Tejas Posts: 274	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. New coil new points new condensor..as said earlier. Doesn't meAn they can't be bad though. I will give wverything a once kver tonight starting with checking TDC.

05-15-2014, 02:00 PM	#9
FordCustom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houston, Tejas Posts: 274	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. A lot of vehicles will run with the distributor out 180. I take it these will not?

05-15-2014, 02:02 PM	#10
Cecil/WV Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gerrardstown, WV Posts: 2,298	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. What????

05-15-2014, 04:46 PM	#12
FordCustom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houston, Tejas Posts: 274	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. I swear I read that in a book, long ago in the pre internet days. I could be wrong, or the book was wrong?

05-15-2014, 05:36 PM	#14
s55mercury66 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: SW Wyoming Posts: 155	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. If the distributor cap was 180 out....better toss that book __________________ Looking for bucket seats and rocker mouldings for full-size 1966 Mercury.

05-15-2014, 06:08 PM	#16
FordCustom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houston, Tejas Posts: 274	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. Well, I am finally home, and about to look it over. I will be back with my findings. Silly me to assume it was running when stored 25-30 years ago..

05-15-2014, 07:07 PM	#18
FordCustom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houston, Tejas Posts: 274	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. Oh wow!!! My brain was playing tricks on me when I was installing the wires, and bigtime! All of the diagrams show the distributor connections going around one way on the diagram, and the close up of the distributor is flipped.. Somehow I had ALL the wires going around the distributor the opposite direction of how they were supposed to be. . I yanked all the wires off, trusted the ancient cap I had with the numbers hand painted on it, annnnd.... It sprang to life and idled like a brand new engine until the gas I dribbled down the carb ran out. No ticks, no knocks, nothing. It ran quietly, and the smithy muffler I shoved on the end of the rusty tailpipe beat out a steady lumlumlumlumlum.. I am ecstatic, as you might imagine!! Thanks for the help guys..!!

05-15-2014, 07:37 PM	#19
Willit Stop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Eureka Calif. Posts: 990	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. It doesn't get any better than this!

05-15-2014, 08:16 PM	#20
FordCustom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houston, Tejas Posts: 274	Re: 8BA, pops and backfires but no start. And just to have proof that it actually did fire up. http://s114.photobucket.com/albums/n...c7d40.mp4.html