Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-02-2014, 07:46 PM   #1
JP31
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 41
Default Engine Rebuild Question

I have removed the engine in my 31 Cabriolet because of a rear main oil leak (modern seal). I have opened the engine and removed the crank to inspect the babbitts and to possibly replace the "modern rear seal" The best I can guess is that the engine was rebuilt about 20 years ago and the slinger was removed and a Burtz rear seal was used. The engine has performed well and the seal just began leaking. I can't afford to put a lot of money in the engine right now but wanted to get recommendations on what I should do while it is open. I would like to clean and repaint, I had an exhaust and intake gasket leak that was pretty obvious when I removed the manifolds. What to do and where do I stop? Thanks in advance for your advise.
JP31 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2014, 08:30 PM   #2
Terry Burtz, Calif
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Campbell,CA, USA
Posts: 395
Default Re: Engine Rebuild Question

After 20 years of good performance, your rear main bearing most likely has excessive clearance. Clearance should be .0015 inch.

With excessive clearance, the crankshaft is wobbling around and the seal lips cannot respond quick enough to maintain contact with the rubbing surface.

Check the condition of the Babbitt, shim for .0015 inch clearance, install a new seal, pressure check, and you should be good for another 20 years or equivalent mileage.
Terry Burtz, Calif is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 01-03-2014, 10:30 AM   #3
JP31
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 41
Default Re: Engine Rebuild Question

Thank you Terry
JP31 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2014, 11:14 AM   #4
Dave in MN
Senior Member
 
Dave in MN's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Jordan, MN
Posts: 1,416
Default Re: Engine Rebuild Question

While you have it opened, check the valve guide clearance to the valves. Replace the components that show excessive clearance. Refresh the valves with lapping compound to the seats.
You know this but I'm going to say it...keep everything clean during your work and re-assembly.
Good Day!
Dave in MN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2014, 04:05 PM   #5
JP31
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 41
Default Re: Engine Rebuild Question

Thanks Dave. Should I also check cylinders and replace piston rings? Would new rings help or hurt me if I don't rebore the cylinder walls?
JP31 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2014, 04:50 PM   #6
Dave in MN
Senior Member
 
Dave in MN's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Jordan, MN
Posts: 1,416
Default Re: Engine Rebuild Question

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Quote:
Originally Posted by JP31 View Post
Thanks Dave. Should I also check cylinders and replace piston rings? Would new rings help or hurt me if I don't rebore the cylinder walls?
If you were not experiencing blow-by you could re-use. If you replace the rings, you should de-glaze the cylinder walls with a flexible hone. Time your up and down motion with the rpm of the hone to create a cross-hatch pattern. IMO: Rings do not cost much ....I would replace the rings and deglaze as described if it were my engine.

Flex-hone used to de-glaze cylinders.

120 Grit Standard Flex-Hones, 2" to 4-5/8" Diameters
Order No.: BG-210
$24.69 Go to Goodson Tools ( http://www.goodson.com/Flex-Hones/ )


Make sure you carefully clean the carbon from your existing pistons, including cleaning the ring grooves. Wash and re-wash to remove traces of the carbon dust you will raise prior to assembling. Fully wash/clean the block after deglazing the cylinder walls. Clean is critical!
Good Day!

Last edited by Dave in MN; 01-03-2014 at 05:35 PM.
Dave in MN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2014, 11:17 PM   #7
Tom Wesenberg
Senior Member
 
Tom Wesenberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 27,582
Default Re: Engine Rebuild Question

As Dave said, clean is important. After you think the cylinder walls are clean I oil them and run a white paper towel up and down. If the paper towel comes out clean then the walls are clean. You'd be surprised at how much cleaning it usually takes before the paper towel remains white.
Tom Wesenberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2014, 12:53 AM   #8
colin1928
Senior Member
 
colin1928's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Australa Melbourne
Posts: 878
Default Re: Engine Rebuild Question

Installing new rings when you engine apart is a good idea but you must check for a ridge in the bore if it has a ridge remove it or it may break your new rings
also inspect and measure everything possible from timing gears to head
colin1928 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2014, 05:29 PM   #9
garyjohn
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Big Pine,CA
Posts: 161
Default Re: Engine Rebuild Question

You might want to check and see if the cam shaft is leaking oil also This can me-mick a rear main seal leak also. I have pulled my engine and found that the cam was leaking into the flywheel housing. I am going to seal it with a brass freeze plug before I reinstall my engine.
garyjohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2014, 06:21 PM   #10
James Rogers
Senior Member
 
James Rogers's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Asheville,NC
Posts: 3,104
Default Re: Engine Rebuild Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by garyjohn View Post
You might want to check and see if the cam shaft is leaking oil also This can me-mick a rear main seal leak also. I have pulled my engine and found that the cam was leaking into the flywheel housing. I am going to seal it with a brass freeze plug before I reinstall my engine.
To do that you will have to remove the cam and have some cut off the rear to make room for the plug.You also won't use a freeze plug since freeze plugs have a flange. You will need to find a welsh plug of the correct diameter.
James Rogers is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:37 PM.