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G&N Farms · 01-05-2016, 05:36 PM

The little lady is leaking coolant very badly. It's so bad , it shorts out the spark plugs. So today, I replaced the two metallic rope seals and tightened it up. It is still leaking with out the engine running no matter how tight I turn it. I did clean the shaft and it is in good shape. Did I miss something? I did a search and watched youtubes. Just wondering what to do now. Should I just buy a no-leak ?

Thanks
Mick

Sunnybrook Farm · 01-05-2016, 05:42 PM

Are you using water pump grease as well as packing? Is it coming out around the shaft or leaking somewhere else?

Brentwood Bob · 01-05-2016, 05:57 PM

May need to pull the pump and check for a crack in the casting.

Tom Wesenberg · 01-05-2016, 10:47 PM

You must have a good shaft and bushing, remove all old packing and install 2 lead packing rings with grease smeared on them. I did that and my pump never leaked a drop in 15 years. And I only lightly snugged the brass collar a few times.

Mike V. Florida · 01-05-2016, 11:45 PM

Yea, without a smooth shaft, a good fit in the bushing, little horizontal in and out of the block, most of the old packing removed, you will have leaks.

There is no need to get another complete pump if the casting is good. Like Bob states if the casting is cracked it will leak. With a good casting you can get all the parts you need to rebuild the one you have including a "leakless bearing and nut.

G&N Farms · 01-05-2016, 11:48 PM

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I missed the grease part. I watched the YT videos and there is not a real good one. I cleaned the shaft and it looks very good. I will check and see if there is a crack. I just wrapped the lead string around the shaft and started turning the cap.

Will try again, thanks all..

BILL WILLIAMSON · 01-06-2016, 12:04 AM

EVERYONE should have a Leakless, Greaseless, Ball Bearing water pump!
They look completely ORIGINAL. The original was a weak design & needs all the help you can give it!
Bill W.

Tom Wesenberg · 01-06-2016, 12:06 AM

String makes it sounds like graphite string used for faucets. For rotating shafts, like the water pump, you want either the lead packing rings (2), or the split lead packing rings, and be sure they are packed with grease.

The very first pump I did always had a slow drip no matter how tight I made the packing nut. After adding grease it never leaked a drop and the packing nut only needs to be slightly snugged.

RonC · 01-06-2016, 04:21 AM

A new leakless pump and cast aluminum fan is the way to go

johnbuckley · 01-06-2016, 05:05 AM

How long do the "leakless " ones stay leakless?

Mike V. Florida · 01-06-2016, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnbuckley

How long do the "leakless " ones stay leakless?

Until they leak

jimalabam · 01-06-2016, 07:38 AM

Mike: Good answer this early in the morning with my first cup of coffee. hee hee...

Bob Bidonde · 01-06-2016, 07:45 AM

This is the type of water pump you should have.

C26Pinelake · 01-06-2016, 08:50 AM

Buy the leakiest and get back to enjoying the car. I have only ever heard of one person having a problem and Snyders replaced it. Wayne

BILL WILLIAMSON · 01-06-2016, 10:13 AM

I feel that some LEAKLESS pump failures "might" be caused by using HARSH Radiator Cleaners???
Bill W.

johnbuckley · 01-06-2016, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

Until they leak

Fell for that one, didn't I!

Jacksonlll · 01-06-2016, 10:34 AM

If you go leak less, you better buy two of them, because when they start leaking on a trip, the fix is to replace it.

G&N Farms · 01-06-2016, 10:35 AM

http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mo...inal-type.html

This is what I put in. The packing I took out was lead also. For the price of a leakless, I might just go that way. I have a couple of months to iron it out.

C26Pinelake · 01-06-2016, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacksonlll

If you go leak less, you better buy two of them, because when they start leaking on a trip, the fix is to replace it.

I personally have not heard of one failing, have you ? I have also never heard of anyone buying two ( a spare ) in case the first one fails ??? Wayne

Synchro909 · 01-07-2016, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G&N Farms

http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mo...inal-type.html

This is what I put in. The packing I took out was lead also. For the price of a leakless, I might just go that way. I have a couple of months to iron it out.

That's all I have ever used with a little Teflon grease for good measure.

01-05-2016, 05:36 PM	#1
G&N Farms Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: At home in my shop working on cars. Posts: 101	Yes, another waterpump problem. The little lady is leaking coolant very badly. It's so bad , it shorts out the spark plugs. So today, I replaced the two metallic rope seals and tightened it up. It is still leaking with out the engine running no matter how tight I turn it. I did clean the shaft and it is in good shape. Did I miss something? I did a search and watched youtubes. Just wondering what to do now. Should I just buy a no-leak ? Thanks Mick

01-05-2016, 05:42 PM	#2
Sunnybrook Farm Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Virginia Posts: 409	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. Are you using water pump grease as well as packing? Is it coming out around the shaft or leaking somewhere else?

01-05-2016, 05:57 PM	#3
Brentwood Bob Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: brentwood, ca Posts: 4,301	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. May need to pull the pump and check for a crack in the casting.

01-05-2016, 10:47 PM	#4
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. You must have a good shaft and bushing, remove all old packing and install 2 lead packing rings with grease smeared on them. I did that and my pump never leaked a drop in 15 years. And I only lightly snugged the brass collar a few times.

01-05-2016, 11:45 PM	#5
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. Yea, without a smooth shaft, a good fit in the bushing, little horizontal in and out of the block, most of the old packing removed, you will have leaks. There is no need to get another complete pump if the casting is good. Like Bob states if the casting is cracked it will leak. With a good casting you can get all the parts you need to rebuild the one you have including a "leakless bearing and nut. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

01-05-2016, 11:48 PM	#6
G&N Farms Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: At home in my shop working on cars. Posts: 101	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I missed the grease part. I watched the YT videos and there is not a real good one. I cleaned the shaft and it looks very good. I will check and see if there is a crack. I just wrapped the lead string around the shaft and started turning the cap. Will try again, thanks all..

01-06-2016, 12:04 AM	#7
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. EVERYONE should have a Leakless, Greaseless, Ball Bearing water pump! They look completely ORIGINAL. The original was a weak design & needs all the help you can give it! Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

01-06-2016, 12:06 AM	#8
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. String makes it sounds like graphite string used for faucets. For rotating shafts, like the water pump, you want either the lead packing rings (2), or the split lead packing rings, and be sure they are packed with grease. The very first pump I did always had a slow drip no matter how tight I made the packing nut. After adding grease it never leaked a drop and the packing nut only needs to be slightly snugged.

01-06-2016, 04:21 AM	#9
RonC Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,868	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. A new leakless pump and cast aluminum fan is the way to go

01-06-2016, 05:05 AM	#10
johnbuckley Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,457	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. How long do the "leakless " ones stay leakless?

01-06-2016, 07:38 AM	#12
jimalabam Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lee County Alabama Posts: 828	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. Mike: Good answer this early in the morning with my first cup of coffee. hee hee...

01-06-2016, 08:50 AM	#14
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. Buy the leakiest and get back to enjoying the car. I have only ever heard of one person having a problem and Snyders replaced it. Wayne

01-06-2016, 10:13 AM	#15
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. I feel that some LEAKLESS pump failures "might" be caused by using HARSH Radiator Cleaners??? Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

01-06-2016, 10:34 AM	#17
Jacksonlll Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Michigan-- Member of Oakleaf of MARC Posts: 1,686	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. If you go leak less, you better buy two of them, because when they start leaking on a trip, the fix is to replace it.

01-06-2016, 10:35 AM	#18
G&N Farms Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: At home in my shop working on cars. Posts: 101	Re: Yes, another waterpump problem. http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mo...inal-type.html This is what I put in. The packing I took out was lead also. For the price of a leakless, I might just go that way. I have a couple of months to iron it out.