Ford Model A Lubrication Poster Unknown Origin

[ripkustoms]

Need a lil help figuring out who made these posters. I found just a few of them recently and have yet to figure out who made them. They are definately vintage and show signs of age as the paper has yellowed over time (how long??) made on real nice paper, crisp ink print and a copycat? lodi? on the bottom.

any help ID'ing these posters would be greatly appreciated. they measure 17" wide and 23" tall

[Tom Wesenberg]

I don't know about that particular poster, but if you want a very nice color lubrication chart I think most all the Model A parts houses sell them. I bought mine at one of the national meets years ago.

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Victor W. Page wrote a Model A Service Manual and Handbook back in 1929 that had the original diagram like this. It has also been passed down through several reprint publications done by Floyd Clymer starting in 1961. I have the 1972 printing and it is on page 165 called Fig.47.

[ripkustoms]

yeah i wasn't exactly looking to buy a different poster, more looking for information on this one. I've seen the repop stuff out there but these are definately original prints. but who made them? i dunno. theyre sized like for a shop or something. i dont know if theyre rare or desirable or just i havent figured out whats what yet

[Bruce Lancaster]

Everything in the chassis drawing, right down to the slight turn angle of the steering wheel and the slightly angled perspective, seems identical to the chart in the Model A supplement that was included in the 1931 or so Audel's encyclopedia... I believe it is that drawing reworked with all the text rotated 90 degrees for vertical hanging.
The supplement is readily available in reprint as a booklet from all the parts places.

[ripkustoms]

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thanks for the info, but as a printed poster does anyone know how readily available they are? or maybe the 64,000 dollar question, what is it worth? im sure the correct answer is what ever someone is willing to pay so maybe i'll just ask if anybody has seen these particular posters sell before in the size this one is and given it's age as a printed poster from the ford supplement

[fredski]

Originally Posted by ripkustoms

thanks for the info, but as a printed poster does anyone know how readily available they are? or maybe the 64,000 dollar question, what is it worth? im sure the correct answer is what ever someone is willing to pay so maybe i'll just ask if anybody has seen these particular posters sell before in the size this one is and given it's age as a printed poster from the ford supplement

Take it to las vegas to pawn stars as seen on tv. They have experts
that can value it.

fredski

[Slowplane]

Be careful with Pawn Stars, or any pawnbrokers for that matter. A friend recently was offered $300, haggled it up to $400, for a collector item (@ PB, Las Vegas). She declined to pawn it, and sold it on Ebay for $4800.00

[ripkustoms]

Well honestly I'd be happy just figuring out who made the posters. I never expected to "get rich" off some old posters. I would like to find out who printed them and when. Everyone I've shown them to just are in awe of how nicely they were done on real quality paper and for the estimated age? Well that's been debated since some believe the way the printing was done couldve been done on the old style press printing machines. I've been scouring the internet and even emailing model a guys just trying to get a lead on who and when the prints were done.

[ripkustoms]

Maybe, but keep in mind I have been selling them locally for the same price. Locally guys are jumping on them probably more so since they can actually see and feel them . Its much easier to describe quality in person when someone can assess it for themselves than trying to explain it through the internet.

[ripkustoms]

If anybody can identify who made these and year they were printed, I'll send you one

[Mike V. Florida]

Just the fact that it has a logo that stands for copy cat tells me it was not original at the time it was printed. Finding a person and/or date that copied an original would be a real challenge.

[Joe K]

As to value, you have a lot of competition. Value is probably about what new posters sell for.

You may have the cachet of originality - this not proven yet. But you also have the minus of wear and tear - and age. Unless both of these add to the "cachet" like on old books.

I like Ebooks a lot. I peruse Google Books quite often looking for information. But there is just "something" about an old original book: the smell, the feel, the connection to history, dunno - something.

I would try it at the same price as today's posters and see if you can attract a buyer.

Joe K

[ripkustoms]

I definitely agree its not an "original" "ford" print. Its a copied print done by some printing company. Problem with valuation for "copy" but also being old and the size is I haven't seen this one done in this size but I will agree its probably only worth what a "new" printed "copy" is worth. I sure wasn't expecting to get a lot for them just a fair price for the quality of the print. I am more interested in finding out more about them for myself as with any old parts I come across I like to find out who made what and when. I also agree there is something about holding a vintage print whether book or poster in this case versus a new print. I've always preffered the old stuff as the quality is much better.

[ripkustoms]

Originally Posted by Joe K

As to value, you have a lot of competition. Value is probably about what new posters sell for.

You may have the cachet of originality - this not proven yet. But you also have the minus of wear and tear - and age. Unless both of these add to the "cachet" like on old books.

I like Ebooks a lot. I peruse Google Books quite often looking for information. But there is just "something" about an old original book: the smell, the feel, the connection to history, dunno - something.

I would try it at the same price as today's posters and see if you can attract a buyer.

Joe K

I agree with there being a difference between the look and feel of the old books and today's reprints. This is the reason I'm having a tough time with these particular posters and why I'm reaching out for help. Things I know is they're printed on heavy weight quality paper. The printing technique is certainly not done in any recent decade. They have the kind of yellowing you'd expect from a book or poster from somewhere in the 30's thru possibly the 50's . And those that have been around and have had their hands on the real deal say 30's-40's but either way I know its still a "copy" and not an "original ford" but being "original " or having "originality" is apples n oranges compared to if this had been some print I went down to kinkos and had them print me up a bunch of em . Course then I wouldn't be selling em cause of copyrighted material.