Tire Logos (Painting)

[Charles Reese]

JS indicate the embossed logos on tires were originally painted in various configurations. What type paint (i.e. hobby store ‘dope’) are folks using on our modern repro. tires to reproduce this feature?

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

I use One-Shot sign lettering enamel.

[Ron in Quincy]

Brent,

What color do you use for the Firestone logo ?

Ron

[glenn in camino]

How was it done at the tire factory?

[Joop]

GoodYear

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

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Originally Posted by Ron in Quincy

Brent,

What color do you use for the Firestone logo ?

Ron

Red

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[gbaker]

Was the flag the only part painted on the good year tires?

[WTSHNN]

Originally Posted by gbaker

Was the flag the only part painted on the good year tires?

Nope, there was also a centering line. Here is Jim Brand's handywork on my tires last year.







-Tim

[Stinch]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

I use One-Shot sign lettering enamel.

Brent

I found this list of colors by 1-Shot. What colors do you use for the Goodyear logos?

Rich

[Charles Reese]

would the painted 'centering line' appear on both sides of tire? (if so, are both sides painted)

I assumed the 'centering line' would have been in closer proximity to the edge of the rim.

[Joop]

Also wondering about the centering line.
On the Original 400A picture in the JS section (B1) you can see the flag but not the center line.


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[Marco Tahtaras]

Originally Posted by Joop

Also wondering about the centering line.
On the Original 400A picture in the JS section (B1) you can see the flag but not the center line.
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I'm not sure everyone is "on the same page". The centering line is that line right near the rim that indicates the tire beads are firmly seated. The are hidden on Goodyears once installed and visible on Firestones.

I'm guessing that some are focused on the silver line on Goodyears which is purely decorative. I haven't been able to find archive photos with lined Goodyears prior to 1933 if I recall correctly.

As a final note, any "decorative" treatment found on the tires was done on both sides of the tire.

[Joop]

Thank you

[Charles Reese]

Marco: thanks for the clarification.

(B) i see a line near the inner rim (latest Goodyear 21" repro) but assumed it would be hidden or at least very close to the metal rim.

(A) unlike the F'stone, my GY have a series of lines/grooves on the outer shoulder. any/all of the grooves painted? white/silver?

[Gary Karr]

Enrique Klein gave a very informative seminar on judging tires at the 1998 MAFCA National Meet in Reno. His handout included color pictures of original Firestone and Goodyear tires. Charles is asking about tires for his '28 RPU. In 28/29, the centering line was a single ridge with red line (on both sides of tire) on Firestones. On Goodyears, was a visible red line between double ridges (also on both sides.) The Goodyear logo was all red in 28/29. The Firestone shield was red (background) in 28/29. Also, to answer Charles question about types of paint, there are plastic and rubber paints available, used for painting rubber finish panels between bodies and bumpers that will work well on tires.

[Roadster62]

Am I the only one that aligns the tire makers name with the valve stem? I just think it looks nice to have every wheel and tire match, or is a random location something the "Fine Point" cars strive for?

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by Roadster62

Am I the only one that aligns the tire makers name with the valve stem? I just think it looks nice to have every wheel and tire match, or is a random location something the "Fine Point" cars strive for?

No, most of us do that. What you probably are referencing is the flag above but if you look closely, the flag is to the left of the words GoodYear. Most of generally align the valve stem within the center of the d & the Y.

Charles, something I am noticing about your picture and in looking at the Stds., it says on Page 22-2 (1997 Revision) in the first paragraph that On the earlier Goodyear tire, the double circular logo had a red outer ring and a white inner circle. The way you have yours painted would make me believe they would have written The outer ring was painted red, and the inner ring was painted white, but that is not how it was worded. I am of the opinion that the whole inner area including the ring was painted white. Maybe that is wrong but that is how I had two sets painted last year at French Lick and 'Doc' did not say anything negative about them painted that way.

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[Kevin in NJ]

Originally Posted by Roadster62

Am I the only one that aligns the tire makers name with the valve stem? I just think it looks nice to have every wheel and tire match, or is a random location something the "Fine Point" cars strive for?

A wee bit of a problem. While making the logos match up if fine for a non-driven show car, balance should be important for those who intend to drive.

The tires are not manufactured to be balanced when the logos are lined up nice. That could be the most out of balance point.

I personally mount the tires with the dot (various colors) at the valve stem and put the tire on a front spindle mounted to a bench with light oil on the bearing. I then let the tire find the heavy point. then turn the tire 90* and see if that is better and so on till I find the best balance point.

Out of my 5 tire, one was almost perfect in balance and another decent. The other 3 were much further off. I intend to add some balancing beads in the tubes.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by Kevin in NJ

A wee bit of a problem. While making the logos match up if fine for a non-driven show car, balance should be important for those who intend to drive.

The tires are not manufactured to be balanced when the logos are lined up nice. That could be the most out of balance point.

I personally mount the tires with the dot (various colors) at the valve stem and put the tire on a front spindle mounted to a bench with light oil on the bearing. I then let the tire find the heavy point. then turn the tire 90* and see if that is better and so on till I find the best balance point.

Out of my 5 tire, one was almost perfect in balance and another decent. The other 3 were much further off. I intend to add some balancing beads in the tubes.

Kevin, I think you bring up a valid point. Since I am a dealer for Innovative Balancing's Dyna-Beads, we just align the valve stem on the tire with the center letters of the tire manufacturer's name and add the Dyna-Beads and let it go. One other thing that factors into this is you can have a nicely balanced tire and have the balance thrown off just with the weight of the metal valve stem! Therefore I find that 6-7 oz of beads added to each tube will allow the balance to be satisfactory if the wheel has been straightened beforehand.

Now if you truly wanna play Devils Advocate, ...and even though we do it too, I truly think that aligning the stems to the lettering/logo in reality is probably 'over-restoration' however there is that slight chance one-in-however-many tires actually had their balance markings align with the lettering/logo so you gotta give the benefit of the doubt. Yes, I know some factory pictures show the stems & lettering in alignment, but do we honestly know what, --or how the photographer staged in those photos? On the other hand, I have included a few original factory photos where the stems can be seen out of alignment with the lettering/logo. I guess this is one of those deals where both should be considered correct, and we should all realize how lucky we are that when we're at a fine-point meet and by coincidence all of the tires on the cars entered in that show happened to have some of those rare "one-in-however-many" tires that the balancing marks all aligned with the lettering or logo!

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[Kevin in NJ]

Then there is the other question.

How much out of balance does it take to be noticeable on the A?

I raise this question because we need to consider the A has quite a bit of unsprung weight to counter the out of balance conditions.