another 180 on BAT

[ronn]

Brent, is it "real" or is it memorex?

[rackops]

Looks like a nice driver, or a starting point for a restoration. Definitely not perfect, but it appears to have been actually born a 180, not a "convert".

Throwing it out for the record... I'll say it finishes at $38k.

[rackops]

I should add...for our friends from Down Under...it has a RHD intake manifold on it.

[ronn]

so it may have been a south american car?????????

[rackops]

Looking at the photos again...it just dawned on me. This WAS a RHD car! I'm assuming one of the ones that came from South America.

[rackops]

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Originally Posted by ronn

so it may have been a south american car?????????

RHD intakes can be used on LHD cars and sometimes that happens. However, this used to be a RHD car, so that totally makes sense.

[nkaminar]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...d-model-a-216/

What makes you say it used to be a RHD car?

Definitely not a 100 point car. That may limit the selling price. Purists will not be interested. It looks, as Rackops said, like a nice driver.

There is a gasoline leak inside the car from fitting to the sediment bowl. Also some issues with the paint and some rust. Some members have reported issues with the stainless exhaust system. These things may also lower the price depending on how observant and educated the buyer is.

[Oldbluoval]

It looks genuine but many issues.
Very presentable

[rackops]

Originally Posted by nkaminar

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...d-model-a-216/

What makes you say it used to be a RHD car?

This is the dead giveaway...the hole for the steering column has been covered over/repaired. This is where the RHD column goes through the firewall.

[rackops]

And if you look at where the steering column is going through the firewall now, it looks like someone made the hole with a hacksaw. Or maybe a hammer and chisel?

[rackops]

So...maybe we give it the benefit of the doubt and say someone just used a RHD cowl during restoration. When you add that to the RHD intake and then the GAV rod hole in the steering column...it starts adding up.

Maybe the person who restored it had access to a bunch of RHD parts (unlikely, but I have a decent collection of RHD parts...though I wouldn't use them in a LHD restoration).

Or...maybe it's one of the many that came up from South America.

[ronn]

good eye Rackop!


That is the first thing I look for in person, but missed it here.

[nkaminar]

OK, that is what I thought. I am not the RHD expert but I also think the hole in the steering column support may have been for the choke rod. (I was slow in my typing.)

[rackops]

Looking pretty closely at the photos...I think if someone's handy with paint and bodywork, I think they could replace the firewall, correct a few minor issues (I'm not sure where that rusted location is from the photo), put on a new coat of paint, and have a really nice, driver deluxe phaeton.

[Richard Knight]

Fred Page was bringing cars up from south America. I don't know how many but they must be in circulation. It would not surprise me if some of those were converted to L.H. drive.

[Marshall V. Daut]

In the 1970's, each issue of "The Restorer's" classified ad page always had photos of Phaetons in South America that a man named Sam Sherman (?) in New York was selling. The prices were reasonable, but the catch as I recall was the buyer had to arrange and pay for shipping and import duty from South America. They were all right-hand drive and looked pretty good in the usual four-panel photo. I wonder how many were actually sold and delivered to the U.S., and where are they now? Any of you long-time Model A owners recall those issues?
Marshall

[ModelA29]

Originally Posted by Marshall V. Daut

I.....Restorer's" classified ad page always had photos of Phaetons in South America ...the catch as I recall was the buyer had to arrange and pay for shipping and import duty from South America.

Sounds like the $3-500 "Genuine US Army Jeep" ads of the same period. You had to pay for those to be shipped from Europe.

[rackops]

Here's a Sam Sherman RHD deluxe phaeton ad from January 1974. It's a rough looking car, but it is what it is (or was?). He was asking $5k at the time...equal to just over $34k today!

[rackops]

Interestingly...in 1971, the car was just about half the price, but you had to pay shipping. I guess by 1974, he brought it into the country. It's a photo of the same car, for sale three years later...

[Richard Knight]

I remember those sam Sherman adds and Fred pages adds. The cars that where brought up here were well used or should I say beat to poop!