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rfitzpatrick · 07-18-2022, 05:36 PM

Ok, so, I have the Maintenance Manual. There seems to be two different Cylinder Style Generators -- the one I'm question is the one two wires coming out the unit near the cut-out. it's a number: J-444583. I've two different cut outs too.
My manual doesn't show mine, so how is it wired to the cut-out. It has one wire with a red base, the other has a large termanel I'm assuming is ground,
am I right so far? Now does the red-based generator wire go to the front of the cut-out?

I HAVE THE MAINTENANCE MANUAL -- THE TWO WIRE GENERATOR IS NOT DISPLAYED MY MANUAL !!

There, I'm feeling better

jetmek · 07-18-2022, 05:54 PM

Its not a model a generator Later model

rfitzpatrick · 07-18-2022, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetmek

Its not a model a generator Later model

My Maintenance Manual say's there are 4 different generators. Two are Power House, two are two versions of the cylinder style. Plz tell me what I have, where can I find how to attach the wiring.
Thank you for your reply

jetmek · 07-18-2022, 06:25 PM

Take cover off and see where they go. One from field goes to ground. One from main brush goes to cutout. You have a post model a era replacement

nkaminar · 07-18-2022, 07:39 PM

It is not a Model A generator. There are two styles of later generators. One has voltage supplied to the field windings by the voltage regulator. The other has the field windings grounded by the voltage regulator. Look for a voltage regulator on your car. You will have to do some detective work with an ohm meter to figure out the generator. Posting some photos will help.

An alternative is to find a Model A generator or an alternator.

A good site for all things electrical is below.

https://www.mafca.com/downloads/Semi...ex%20Janke.pdf

ndnchf · 07-18-2022, 08:02 PM

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Does your generator look like this with 2 wires coming out? If so, it is from a later 1930s Ford. Typically the black field wire will be grounded to a cutout mounting screw and the red positive wire to the cutout terminal.

rfitzpatrick · 07-18-2022, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndnchf

Does your generator look like this with 2 wires coming out? If so, it is from a later 1930s Ford. Typically the black field wire will be grounded to a cutout mounting screw and the red positive wire to the cutout terminal.

YES -- this is what I wanted to know
Thanks

nkaminar · 07-19-2022, 06:12 AM

Does that style of generator have the third brush for regulation too?

ndnchf · 07-19-2022, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nkaminar

Does that style of generator have the third brush for regulation too?

Yes it does. I think they were made this way to use either a standard cutout or the 1934-1936 optional 2 charge regulator.

Kurt in NJ · 07-19-2022, 07:35 AM

A lot of original A generators were converted to having the 2 wires while being rebuilt so they could be used on the later cars, if you post pictures of what you have we can probably figure out what version you have

rfitzpatrick · 07-19-2022, 03:22 PM

I was able to work it out using the two-wire generator. Noticed the cut-out had the words: ARM, Ford, BATT across the top -- installed the wiring accordingly, it checks out great!
Tks Guys

katy · 07-20-2022, 11:15 AM

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07-18-2022, 05:36 PM	#1
rfitzpatrick Senior Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Coral Springs, Florida Posts: 690	Cylinder Style Generator Ok, so, I have the Maintenance Manual. There seems to be two different Cylinder Style Generators -- the one I'm question is the one two wires coming out the unit near the cut-out. it's a number: J-444583. I've two different cut outs too. My manual doesn't show mine, so how is it wired to the cut-out. It has one wire with a red base, the other has a large termanel I'm assuming is ground, am I right so far? Now does the red-based generator wire go to the front of the cut-out? I HAVE THE MAINTENANCE MANUAL -- THE TWO WIRE GENERATOR IS NOT DISPLAYED MY MANUAL !! There, I'm feeling better

07-18-2022, 05:54 PM	#2
jetmek Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: albany Posts: 487	Re: Cylinder Style Generator Its not a model a generator Later model __________________ engine and component overhauls my specialty! Website- www.godevilgarage.com

07-18-2022, 06:25 PM	#4
jetmek Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: albany Posts: 487	Re: Cylinder Style Generator Take cover off and see where they go. One from field goes to ground. One from main brush goes to cutout. You have a post model a era replacement __________________ engine and component overhauls my specialty! Website- www.godevilgarage.com

07-18-2022, 07:39 PM	#5
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 5,860	Re: Cylinder Style Generator It is not a Model A generator. There are two styles of later generators. One has voltage supplied to the field windings by the voltage regulator. The other has the field windings grounded by the voltage regulator. Look for a voltage regulator on your car. You will have to do some detective work with an ohm meter to figure out the generator. Posting some photos will help. An alternative is to find a Model A generator or an alternator. A good site for all things electrical is below. https://www.mafca.com/downloads/Semi...ex%20Janke.pdf __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

07-19-2022, 06:12 AM	#8
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 5,860	Re: Cylinder Style Generator Does that style of generator have the third brush for regulation too? __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

07-19-2022, 07:35 AM	#10
Kurt in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: on the Littlefield Posts: 6,555	Re: Cylinder Style Generator A lot of original A generators were converted to having the 2 wires while being rebuilt so they could be used on the later cars, if you post pictures of what you have we can probably figure out what version you have

07-19-2022, 03:22 PM	#11
rfitzpatrick Senior Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Coral Springs, Florida Posts: 690	Re: Cylinder Style Generator I was able to work it out using the two-wire generator. Noticed the cut-out had the words: ARM, Ford, BATT across the top -- installed the wiring accordingly, it checks out great! Tks Guys

07-20-2022, 11:15 AM	#12
katy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Posts: 5,715	Re: Cylinder Style Generator Deleted __________________ If you don't hear a rumor by 10 AM, start one!. Got my education out behind the barn!