The Ford Barn

leon bee · 12-25-2018, 04:42 PM

I don't have a very big pile of stuff to look at near me. Wanting to do an F1 for my next project. Got most everything but the truck, have an 8BA, floor shift 3 speed and the bellhousing and starter plate. And the flywheel, too, I've mocked all this up. But I only have a car oil pan, won't know until later if this will fit down into the pickup.

Here's the question: I see the pictures of the truck pans, just what is that rear welded on bracket for? And why? Tried to steal a picture off ebay, but it wouldn't let me.

51 MERC-CT · 12-25-2018, 06:27 PM

Mercury uses a right angle bracket.
It's just an added support bolted to studs on the bottom of the pan to the bottom bolts of the starter plate.
In the F1 it is a different shape and welded to the pan.

leon bee · 12-25-2018, 07:09 PM

So it's just to brace the starter plate.......and they thought the Ford cars didn't need it?

40cpe · 12-25-2018, 07:43 PM

It also braces the bottom of the bell housing on the truck pans. I'm not that familiar with Mercury pans, but I think the bell housing is also braced that that pan, too. You will notice that the non-truck bell housings on the 8BA style engines didn't have any bracing/attachment below the block.

Bob C · 12-25-2018, 09:23 PM

Here are some pictures off Epay.

Bob

alanwoodieman · 12-25-2018, 09:45 PM

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for an F1 you will need a truck/merc rear sump pan because the tie rod will hit a car oil pan. I had to change out the car pan put in my 49 F1, by a previous owner.

leon bee · 12-25-2018, 09:48 PM

That there is the exact pics I was trying to post from ebay. Thanks, guys.

But is this it? Somebody thought trucks and Mercurys needed more support than cars?

leon bee · 12-25-2018, 09:59 PM

Alan: I don't doubt I'll need a truck pan. I just can't see it in my head yet, though.

26 lakes · 12-25-2018, 10:18 PM

You need to show us a picture of your starter plate. You may or may not have the correct one.

51 MERC-CT · 12-25-2018, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leon bee

So it's just to brace the starter plate.......and they thought the Ford cars didn't need it?

It does not just brace the starter plate. The starter plate is sandwiched between it and the transmission bell housing which is also supported.

leon bee · 12-25-2018, 10:54 PM

Hello 26 lakes: I don't seem to have a pic here that really shows the plate. But here's my setup, starter seems to hang right, it engages and cranks over good:

leon bee · 12-25-2018, 10:55 PM

That isn't the pic I wanted

Hyvolt · 12-25-2018, 11:09 PM

I took a 8 rt motor apart last week. What do you want a picture of? They are not clean yet but I have everything minus a transmission

leon bee · 12-25-2018, 11:21 PM

Hyvolt: What it is I've never seen is; the second pic posted above by Bob C. I've never seen that pan in place bolted to something at that bracket. So I don't understand what it's for. Elementary stuff, I just haven't been around a pickup with an engine in it, or found the right picture on google.

Hyvolt · 12-25-2018, 11:32 PM

I'll get you a pic of all the parts tomorrow. Oil pan just ties into the lower flywheel sheild, which is bolted to the trans adapter. I guess it what the thought they needed to do coming from the previous flathead oil pan style. I know allot of modern engines now have multiple tie points

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Ross F-1 · 12-25-2018, 11:52 PM

I'm running a Merc oil pan in my truck. The Merc has three studs for a bracket that performs the same function, but the bracket went missing. I made one from angle iron and flat plate. Here's what it looks like, whether you do it with the truck pan or with a Merc pan.

leon bee · 12-25-2018, 11:54 PM

Well, don't get all greasy unless you're going to anyway. Man, we all spend a lot of time scraping crud off. My latest discovery is Dollar General oven cleaner.

leon bee · 12-25-2018, 11:55 PM

Thanks, Ross!

Hyvolt · 12-25-2018, 11:59 PM

Haven't tried the oven cleaner, but I do use pine-sol for carb dip. Works awesome. Gotta use the name brand original version

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4t8v8 · 12-26-2018, 11:36 AM

I believe you will find you'll need a rear sump pan for an F1. The center sump pan was used on cars with independent suspension and it will hit the front axle on a F1. I had a lot of rear seal problems with mine and removed the lower bracket years ago as it was a
nuisance to work around. Never missed it.

12-25-2018, 04:42 PM	#1
leon bee Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Arkansas Posts: 697	Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans I don't have a very big pile of stuff to look at near me. Wanting to do an F1 for my next project. Got most everything but the truck, have an 8BA, floor shift 3 speed and the bellhousing and starter plate. And the flywheel, too, I've mocked all this up. But I only have a car oil pan, won't know until later if this will fit down into the pickup. Here's the question: I see the pictures of the truck pans, just what is that rear welded on bracket for? And why? Tried to steal a picture off ebay, but it wouldn't let me.

12-25-2018, 06:27 PM	#2
51 MERC-CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Hartford, Ct Posts: 5,898	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Mercury uses a right angle bracket. It's just an added support bolted to studs on the bottom of the pan to the bottom bolts of the starter plate. In the F1 it is a different shape and welded to the pan. __________________ DON'T RECALL DOING SOMETHING FOR MYSELF BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LIKES OR DISLIKES

12-25-2018, 07:09 PM	#3
leon bee Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Arkansas Posts: 697	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans So it's just to brace the starter plate.......and they thought the Ford cars didn't need it?

12-25-2018, 07:43 PM	#4
40cpe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Star, MS Posts: 4,120	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans It also braces the bottom of the bell housing on the truck pans. I'm not that familiar with Mercury pans, but I think the bell housing is also braced that that pan, too. You will notice that the non-truck bell housings on the 8BA style engines didn't have any bracing/attachment below the block.

12-25-2018, 09:45 PM	#6
alanwoodieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: upstate SC Posts: 3,000	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) for an F1 you will need a truck/merc rear sump pan because the tie rod will hit a car oil pan. I had to change out the car pan put in my 49 F1, by a previous owner.

12-25-2018, 09:48 PM	#7
leon bee Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Arkansas Posts: 697	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans That there is the exact pics I was trying to post from ebay. Thanks, guys. But is this it? Somebody thought trucks and Mercurys needed more support than cars?

12-25-2018, 09:59 PM	#8
leon bee Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Arkansas Posts: 697	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Alan: I don't doubt I'll need a truck pan. I just can't see it in my head yet, though.

12-25-2018, 10:18 PM	#9
26 lakes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lee's Summit, Mo Posts: 347	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans You need to show us a picture of your starter plate. You may or may not have the correct one.

12-25-2018, 11:09 PM	#13
Hyvolt Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Warrenton Mo Posts: 29	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans I took a 8 rt motor apart last week. What do you want a picture of? They are not clean yet but I have everything minus a transmission

12-25-2018, 11:21 PM	#14
leon bee Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Arkansas Posts: 697	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Hyvolt: What it is I've never seen is; the second pic posted above by Bob C. I've never seen that pan in place bolted to something at that bracket. So I don't understand what it's for. Elementary stuff, I just haven't been around a pickup with an engine in it, or found the right picture on google.

12-25-2018, 11:32 PM	#15
Hyvolt Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Warrenton Mo Posts: 29	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans I'll get you a pic of all the parts tomorrow. Oil pan just ties into the lower flywheel sheild, which is bolted to the trans adapter. I guess it what the thought they needed to do coming from the previous flathead oil pan style. I know allot of modern engines now have multiple tie points Sent from my LG-LS993 using Tapatalk

12-25-2018, 11:54 PM	#17
leon bee Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Arkansas Posts: 697	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Well, don't get all greasy unless you're going to anyway. Man, we all spend a lot of time scraping crud off. My latest discovery is Dollar General oven cleaner.

12-25-2018, 11:55 PM	#18
leon bee Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Arkansas Posts: 697	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Thanks, Ross!

12-25-2018, 11:59 PM	#19
Hyvolt Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Warrenton Mo Posts: 29	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Haven't tried the oven cleaner, but I do use pine-sol for carb dip. Works awesome. Gotta use the name brand original version Sent from my LG-LS993 using Tapatalk

12-26-2018, 11:36 AM	#20
4t8v8 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 526	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans I believe you will find you'll need a rear sump pan for an F1. The center sump pan was used on cars with independent suspension and it will hit the front axle on a F1. I had a lot of rear seal problems with mine and removed the lower bracket years ago as it was a nuisance to work around. Never missed it.