Rubber Bushings @ Spring Shackles

[Ian1932]

Guys, this should be easy i would think, but i cant find these 32' bushings. I find what looks like them but it always says (Fits 42-48). Im using pcs from multiple front and rear ends and since these pictures i have torn all this stuff part for painting. The bushings might still be ok but the flange or larger diameter areas are all cracked...

https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_m...passenger.html

Can someone please paste a link to what i should buy? Thanks in advance...

[flatheadmurre]

It´s a complete press in unit you need.
https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_m...passenger.html
Not sure about lenght or anything like that but you se the style you need.

[Ian1932]

Originally Posted by flatheadmurre

It´s a complete press in unit you need.
https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_m...passenger.html
Not sure about lenght or anything like that but you se the style you need.

I just cant buy the rubber parts?

[JSeery]

What are you really looking for, the original style is a stud in a metal shell. There are modern replacements that are rubber bushings and other materials. Need to determine which ones you are looking for. The ones in your photos are not original.

https://cgfordparts.com/wwwsectionfi...hing-with-Stud

[DavidG]

When originality is not a criteria, there are kits available the consists of just the studs, four synthetic nylon/plastic bushings and the bars linking the studs. Judging from your photos, you require the '32-'34 variety, front and rear.

Sorry, but I use original '33-'34 asbestos-filled studs and therefore cannot point you to a source for those modern replacements.

I recommend that you not use NOS or NORS rubber filled studs as age is not rubber's friend and it will collapse or disintegrate in short order.

[19Fordy]

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Unless you desire OEM, modify the shackle so you can install bronze or polyurethane bushings. Shackles below were made of mild 1020 steel many years ago. You can use standard bolts for the shackle pins. I noticed no difference in ride quality.https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...shings.667735/ Also: Google, Bronze shackle bushings to see all that's available.

[Ian1932]

These are the only pictures i have until i get home. Its just a stud with threads on both ends and 2 bushings that push in from each side of the opening. I would like to buy 16 of these rubber bushings that look very similar to the snip i took. Im not sure of their exact size but i will measure when i get home. Im ok if this isnt exactly how it came from the factory. The studs, threads and the castle nuts are in nice shape. The rubber is really nice except for the cracks on the outside where its visible. Thanks for every ones help...!

[Mart]

I asked about those bushings recently as I found them on my 41 pu. They are a replacement type from Ford. I think there may still be some about. If you want original style, the ones from Macs should be the best, but they are rubbish. I have stopped using them and now use the "street Rod" type with the hard nylon bushes. Far easier to use (especially as your original steel cased bushes have already been removed) but obviously not stock looking. You could mitigate the look a bit by using castellated nuts and drilling the pins for splitpins, but they will not pass for stock. Your dad may have squirelled some original bushes away, that would be a godsend if he has.

Problems I had with the bushes from Macs:
The 7/8 diameter bush for 32-34 front spring was 22mm diameter and too small.It fell straight through the spring.
The threads are not well formed at all. the thread peters away to nothing. This is made worse by the nuts they supply which are a thinnish nyloc type, the threads have a big chamfer and are short. the poor threads line up with the part where the threads have gone to nothing and whatever is left gets stripped.

They really are junk.

I have older repro studs that are ok. The last lot from Macs had really gone downhill.

Mart.

[Mart]

Here's the post i started about the same bushings.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234477

[Ian1932]

What would you guys think if i used these. If i can find the correct size?

[Ian1932]

Originally Posted by 19Fordy

Unless you desire OEM, modify the shackle so you can install bronze or polyurethane bushings. Shackles below were made of mild 1020 steel many years ago. You can use standard bolts for the shackle pins. I noticed no difference in ride quality.https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...shings.667735/ Also: Google, Bronze shackle bushings to see all that's available.

https://limeworksspeedshop.myshopify...ackle-bushings

Will these work? Thanks!

[Mart]

You might as well get the whole shebang from Limeworks. the shape of the end plates (flat) will suit the oilite bushings - yours will not. Speedway sell the same type but with the nylon bushings. (Cheaper).

Hang on - an original 32 spring has 7/8" eyes. Check if any of the shackle kits have 7/8" bushings. Most are 3/4". A shackle kit for a 32 front has one 3/4" bushing for the perch and one 7/8" bushing for the spring. (I'm talking stock style one piece bushings). It is possible to make a bush to put the 3/4" bushings into a 7/8" eye, though.

Mart.

Edit: I see speedway also sell the oilite bushings. All are 3/4" though.
What diameter are the eyes on your spring(s)?

Mart.

[Mart]

If you want to gamble 24 bucks on a stock type kit, C&G have this:
https://cgfordparts.com/ufolder/ford...?number=B-5304

You can see the bigger diameter on then one bush.

Hopefully they are better than the rubbish I got from Macs. You could use the press at work to push them in, I'm guessing your perches are already removed?? (Maybe not). It's easier to press the bushes into the perch if off the vehicle.

Mart.

[flatheadmurre]

I don´t like oilite in suspension if they get abused they crack and come out in pieces.
Polyuretane is a much better choice if you ask me.
Polyuretane is cheap durable and can be cut in a lathe.

[19Fordy]

I just rechecked my notes from years ago re: the bushings I made. They are
brass not bronze.

[Mart]

Interesting pic this. It looks like the axle casings have been reversed and fitted upside down. the perch bends down, not up and the shock stud is nowhere to be seen. The mounting for the radius rod looks homemade, too.



I'm guessing this rear axle was used in conjunction with the dropped axle shown.

Ian, I'm getting confused, are you doing a resto or building a rod? Whichever way is fine by me, but when making recommendations about which way to go on the shackles it would help to know what you intend.

Mart.

[Ian1932]

Originally Posted by Mart

Interesting pic this. It looks like the axle casings have been reversed and fitted upside down. the perch bends down, not up and the shock stud is nowhere to be seen. The mounting for the radius rod looks homemade, too.



I'm guessing this rear axle was used in conjunction with the dropped axle shown.

Ian, I'm getting confused, are you doing a resto or building a rod? Whichever way is fine by me, but when making recommendations about which way to go on the shackles it would help to know what you intend.



Mart.

Mart, Sorry for confusion...What it comes down to is i enough to build 2 cars. Mostly stock if i mix an match and re-work things. However this first project the roadster, is being driven by a couple of things, in this order

#1 i want to finish this car while my father is around - im going to be using whatever is the easiest for me to do this rather quickly
#2 My dads car, my dads ideas - Some of the things he had in mind im going to do so he can see it that way
#3 Depth of pockets - my pockets are shallow right now an as deep as i want them to be, they are not - I have to be responsible on what i buy

With all that, this car wont be a hot rod but it wont be stock either. It wont be way off the path though. At a later time in my life i may make changes to it. The coupe however i will do my best to make it stock, im in no hurry on that car. Im sure that my direction is frowned upon by some, but, that is just the way it needs to be right now. As far as the bushings, i need the cheapest way to put this front end back together after a blast and paint so i can make a rolling chassis. Thanks for everyone's help with this, its greatly appreciated! Way more than you guys realize. I might not comment on everything, but i reading a ton on this site everyday....

The axle tubes on this rear end were spun around and the shock mount cut off. My dad dod this years ago. Im not using the axle but im going to use the front and rear springs that he bent the other direction to lower it 1" or so. He proud of that work he did so im going to use them for now. This had tube shocks which im not going to use.

And even more so when im doing this i dont have a clue really what im doing so it changes with the flow...

[DavidG]

I'm pretty sure the 7/8" diameter bushings exist as I used that set up as a quick, expedient way to get a roller chassis together to move a body and subsequently substituted the original type (which is a much more time-consuming process).

[rich b]

If your existing shackle pins are 1/2" and both them and the plates are usable; I'd just give Pete & Jakes a call and order some urethane bushings. 3/4" and 7/8" by 1-3/4" for the front along with 3/4" and 7/8" by 2-1/4" for the rear.

You may have to sand down the flange on the bushing a little to match the thickness of the "squeezed" rubber.

[fordor41]

I've used Nylon 6/6 impregnated with moly for 20+ yrs. will basically never wear out. All the polys will be too soft. Check McMaster-Carr supply