Anyone know of a "tire shaver" for sale?

[steve hackel]

Hello; after reading all the posts on this issue and contacting all of the remaining people that will even do this any more, I find that my closest option is either S.E of Indianapolis or north western Iowa rear Sioux Falls S.D.

I am interested in finding one, doing the job myself and then offering the same service to others that live in & around the Chicago area. Anyone knowing of one of these for sale, please contact me. I figured this was a better option than in the parts wanted section. Thanks, Steve

[35fordtn]

I dont own one anymore but the one you will want is a Amermac model 711. There is one on eBay currently $$$$$$$

[GB SISSON]

School us on 'tire shaving'..... Thanks

[Ford Freak]

Originally Posted by GB SISSON

School us on 'tire shaving'..... Thanks

Yes , please do ! One can never stop learning ...........F F

[petehoovie]

See and read description here > https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMERMAC-711...sAAOSwridaOXMn

[cas3]

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i have always wanted to make one. some very heavy angle iron, some brackets welded up to mount your big angle grinder with the 1/2" handle holes, a piece of fine thread rod to adjust the depth, and some way to anchor it to the floor. if you have to take much off, you bought the wrong tire !

[cas3]

more crazy thoughts, if you mounted the grinder rig on a long plank and drove the other end tire on the plank, you would not have to anchor it to the floor. one tire on the board, and a bottle jack on the board to lift the end you are are working on would stop movement in both directions. could even make the slide feature out of wood. could even do motorcycles with the right jack. the ebay listing is 5 grand, i'd be heading to home depot!

[GB SISSON]

You lost me at the bottle of Jack. I guess I gotta go back and look at the link.....

[GB SISSON]

Originally Posted by cas3

more crazy thoughts, if you mounted the grinder rig on a long plank and drove the other end tire on the plank, you would not have to anchor it to the floor. one tire on the board, and a bottle jack on the board to lift the end you are are working on would stop movement in both directions. could even make the slide feature out of wood. could even do motorcycles with the right jack. the ebay listing is 5 grand, i'd be heading to home depot!

cas3, aren't you the guy that went out to the barn in his underwear last night at 30 below to check the offset on a 2 bolt timing cover? I feel a little better about myself these days.......

[cas3]

hey, GB, no i declined on searching for parts on the frozen swamp here, and seldom run about in my undies. but you, my friend need to see the Y block era woody pickup conversion on the hamb under photos of days gone by. i have tried, but not computer savy enough to steal that photo by itself, only get the whole thread. its about two days ago, check it out, your next project. i'll try again. bottle jack is to anchor the plank at two points. if steve is trying to get set up for the salt flats, my hillbilly thoughts perhaps do not count. but i have many times had new bias ply tires, that even though the rim is good, and i deflate the tire and try to relocate it, it is not round and a light cut with a secure mounted grinder would do it.

[3738]

Back in the 70's, I used to have the tires on my 1st car, a 70 Camaro "trued" to make them perfectly round before balancing for high speed runs up to 150 mph. Still have my Camaro, but don't drive it that fast anymore.

[35fordtn]

I have used both versions of the Amermac truer. One is for racing tires that cuts a straight line or can cut 2 degrees of camber into the tires. The model 711 is a exceptional machine for bias old car tires as it can cut the correct contour over the tire and the user can adjust the contour. They are pricey machines ($9,000) new but from time to time they pop up on Craigslist cheap. You wouldn’t believe how out of round some of the reproduction bias tires are when new. It truly would be hard to build one nearly as good as the real machine. They use a blade to cut rather than a grinder. Wish I still had one..... also if you do find one when doing bias tires be certain to heat them for 30 minutes prior.

[47Merc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAasIWzUJaU

[34fordy]

John Worden in Green Mountain, Iowa, Just north of Marshalltown in central Iowa has a shaver--He does excellent work--He shaved my tires 2 years ago and the car drives great--He is a member of the Barn using his name--john worden

[BUBBAS IGNITION]

I guess i am the other side of the fence, i owned one of these for years and finally sold it when we left gasoline alley.
I feel its a total waste of good rubber, some tires would be almost bald when finally true. Maybe if ya just did a minor cut that would work but we did a lot of old tires and alot of new ones. messyiest piece of equipment i ever owned , with rubber everywhere, smell etc...
My suggestion would be to buy a good quality (round) tire to start with. Just another thought from some experience with them.......

[steve hackel]

Ok, I need to reply and clear up some things in order to blend all of the questions and opinions into something understandable for everyone reading this request.
I personally do not believe that there are ANY perfectly round tires on the market today, but obviously there are some better than others. Confining this discussion to only Bias Ply tires, be they new old stock or new reproductions, every single one of them has issues; some are magnified by the wheel they are mounted on and others are lessened (strictly by luck in mounting it in the right location).
Any wheel & tire combination can be balanced, but the tire being out of round will cause the otherwise "balanced" combination to hop, or vibrate at any given speed - some speeds more than others. The out of round situation makes the driver feel the road & rotating vibrations and think that the combination is out of balance.
So: I owned 4 NOS Firestone 6:00 x 16 tires (all 30+years old) and used the first 2 on a pair of kelsey Hayes wires that were actually extremely round & true. They would balance, but were slightly over .125 / 1/8" out of round, and no amount of balancing would correct that. Next up, I bought 4 new Koker 7:00 x 16 tires for the rear of both my cars; after mounting, 2 of them were slightly over 1/8" out of round (3/16" +/-) and the other 2 were over 1/4" - I returned the 2 worst ones and got nothing but grief from Koker tires because they had been mounted and were no longer NEW ! So how are you to find a problem with a tire that isn't mounted, if you can't return it because it has been mounted........ I need to think about that one for a while.
In the tire shaving process, the high spots are completely eliminated, resulting in a perfectly round rotating assembly (as close as possible) and once completed, the balancing process of the wheel & tire assembly cancels out the thick / thin or heavy / light areas of the tire, resulting in a perfectly round and also balanced assembly.
None of this can be accomplished with a grinder mounted to a frame work, but only by a rotating blade or knife action that cuts through high spots rather than "grinding" them away as in sanding or grinding away a high spot in bondo on a fender.
The $5,000 price tag of the machine on E-bay is a little steep for me, so I continue to look for one and ask everyone I am in contact with to try and scrounge one up. In the end I'll probably contact John Warden in Iowa (didn't know about him) and spend a day driving there and back just to get them done correctly so I can enjoy driving my car. And as Bubbas' suggested - I did buy quality tires, and they still need some work!!! Thanks to all who have responded.

[V8COOPMAN]

steve hackle.....You are not alone. It is a well-known fact in old car circles that a huge number of those bias ply tires that come from a source quite familiar to most old car folks, ARE NOT round! Complaints have been rampant for many years. Common reports state that the source can be somewhat cooperative in swapping-out with duplicates, many times only to find that the dupes are just as badly out of round...if not worse. Other complainants report hostilities when trying to get any kind of positive help from the supplier. Not only the "out of round" problem, but many of these bias tires never seem to be able to get any reasonable mileage once the customer has shaved said tires to make them reasonably round in the first place. John Warden should be a good direction for you. DD

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

steve hackle.....You are not alone. It is a well-known fact in old car circles that a huge number of those bias ply tires that come from a source quite familiar to most old car folks, ARE NOT round! Complaints have been rampant for many years. Common reports state that the source can be somewhat cooperative in swapping-out with duplicates, many times only to find that the dupes are just as badly out of round...if not worse. Other complainants report hostilities when trying to get any kind of positive help from the supplier. Not only the "out of round" problem, but many of these bias tires never seem to be able to get any reasonable mileage once the customer has shaved said tires to make them reasonably round in the first place. John Warden should be a good direction for you. DD

Ugh. The said supplier really needs to fix this for they are certainly making a fair share off of selling out of round tires.

[GB SISSON]

So maybe Johnny Hart's BC wasn't far off the mark about the tire of the future....

[Crankster]

Look closer at the auction. Without regard to whether they are useful or not, the "Buy It Now" price isn't set in stone, there is a "Make Offer" option.