The Ford Barn

corvette8n · 12-12-2016, 07:31 PM

From a 1943 Navy training film.

https://youtu.be/upXhM4r7INw

Watch from the 11:30 mark. Looks like a Ford truck factory.

tubman · 12-12-2016, 08:07 PM

Check out this thread on the H.A.M.B.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...#post-10800086

Bruce Lancaster · 12-12-2016, 08:50 PM

I am pretty sure that Ford ops in Japan ( excepting that expansion that did not happen in 1939!) were entirely assembly...I think that Ford motors were built only at the Rouge, Canada , and England and Germany (with those two building V8's after about '34-5).
Japan would only have had access to engines sent over for assembly there. Wide use during the war could not have been supported.
They made heavy use of ersatz Chevy 6's, built by Toyota and used in many military trucks.
Supposedly Toyota started out to clone Ford trucks and was stymied by the casting complexity (from article long ago in Special Interest autos). There is info around on the Chevies, which as OHV inlines were rather simple castings, but whether they were pirated or licensed is ignored.

rotorwrench · 12-12-2016, 09:25 PM

Rikuo Motor Cycles made Harley Davidson 45 bikes under license and they were flatheads. Most Japanese cars were small with little 4-bangers and some smaller than that back in the 30s & post war years.

TonyM · 12-12-2016, 10:00 PM

The Japanese Army captured Singapore and there was a Ford Factory in Singapore. British General A.E. Percival surrendered to the Japanese at the Ford Factory.

mfagan · 12-12-2016, 10:53 PM

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Wow, what a story ! Wonder if ISIL is using any flatheads?

Bruce Lancaster · 12-13-2016, 11:29 AM

I'm sure Singapore would have been a Ford of England assembly plant, not a factory capable of building engines! Flatheads there would have been limited to stock in hand.

37 Coupe · 12-13-2016, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfagan

Wow, what a story ! Wonder if ISIL is using any flatheads?

If they are than they can be defeated. Send our troops home and send Bob Drake and Mac's catalogs to ISIS or ISIL. They will be busy waiting for backordered parts while we bomb them. I know more than the Generals.

DavidG · 12-13-2016, 02:12 PM

Bruce is correct, the pre-WWII Yokohama operation was KD assembly only (assembly of knocked down vehicles from kits exported from the U.S.) Ford closed the doors at the onset of U.S. involvement in the war. Likely the photo in question was taken in late 1938 or 1939. As he indicated, engine manufacture in the period was limited to Dearborn, Windsor, Dagenham, and Cologne.

The table at which the formal signing of the British forces surrender of Singapore was in the Managing Director's office and is now in an Australian war museum.

Ford Singapore was not, however, a Ford of Britain subsidiary. Like all of the Ford companies in the British Commonwealth at that time except for England, it was a subsidiary of Ford of Canada.

rockfla · 12-13-2016, 02:29 PM

Dave
Where the blocks manufactured at the above listed facilities marked as such? or any distinguishing features that might denote a Daginham or Colon block??

Daryl Middlebrook · 12-13-2016, 02:43 PM

The Japanese miniature submarines that were involved in the attack of Pearl Harbor were powered by flathead Ford engines.---------Were those engines liberated from Singapore?---Probably no one will ever know.

rotorwrench · 12-13-2016, 02:55 PM

Dagenham built a lot of 60 HP type engines and a lot of 221 21 stud engines. Many of them have the firing order cast into the heads. The German production in Cologne did have some differences in the block due to different availability of fuel and ignition systems components plus they were mostly for trucks.

Newc · 12-13-2016, 03:14 PM

Interesting; I have a restored '35 Chev Military trk and the Japanese renactors [ww2] have studied it as their main trucks were Chev copies. Newc

Ol' Ron · 12-13-2016, 03:40 PM

They also mad P&W aircraft engines.

TonyM · 12-13-2016, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl Middlebrook

The Japanese miniature submarines that were involved in the attack of Pearl Harbor were powered by flathead Ford engines.---------Were those engines liberated from Singapore?---Probably no one will ever know.

I know. The answer is no.

Singapore fell on 15 Feb 1942, more than two months after the Pearl Harbor attack.

38bill · 12-13-2016, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl Middlebrook

The Japanese miniature submarines that were involved in the attack of Pearl Harbor were powered by flathead Ford engines.---------Were those engines liberated from Singapore?---Probably no one will ever know.

I thought that they were all battery powered and only some of the newer ones had a generator to recharge the batts. They couldn't fully submerge unless they were battery powered.

keith oh · 12-13-2016, 06:08 PM

I don't know for sure but me and three other guys bought a 1941, 4dr Ford while I was in Japan during the Koran war (conflict). It was so sick we had to push it to start, burned more oil than gasoline. It still had part of chicken Sh**t methane gas generator on the back bumper they used during the 11nd war for fuel. I was the last to leave so I sold it to a company that had it restored and within 2 months they had it looking and running like new. Big american cars were a premium over there at a time when Toyotas looked and ran like Crosleys. I'll bet that old ford is still running.

rotorwrench · 12-13-2016, 06:24 PM

That may have been a wood burner. An engine will run on wood smoke but I don't know if they had any wood either.

keith oh · 12-14-2016, 01:22 PM

No Rotowrench, it was chicken. They made charcoal to heat it with then piped the methane generated directly into the top intake of carb. It assisted the fuel intake cutting way down on gas consumption.

rotorwrench · 12-14-2016, 07:11 PM

The Germans used a lot of wood gas generators during the war but they did have more wood to burn. There were folks that used them here in the states during harder times. Here is a link for info. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas_generator

Manure/methane digesters work OK but it still takes fuel to get the pot stewed up. With a wood gas generator, you just need the wood.

12-12-2016, 08:07 PM	#2
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 11,638	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? Check out this thread on the H.A.M.B. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...#post-10800086

12-12-2016, 08:50 PM	#3
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? I am pretty sure that Ford ops in Japan ( excepting that expansion that did not happen in 1939!) were entirely assembly...I think that Ford motors were built only at the Rouge, Canada , and England and Germany (with those two building V8's after about '34-5). Japan would only have had access to engines sent over for assembly there. Wide use during the war could not have been supported. They made heavy use of ersatz Chevy 6's, built by Toyota and used in many military trucks. Supposedly Toyota started out to clone Ford trucks and was stymied by the casting complexity (from article long ago in Special Interest autos). There is info around on the Chevies, which as OHV inlines were rather simple castings, but whether they were pirated or licensed is ignored.

12-12-2016, 09:25 PM	#4
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 17,410	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? Rikuo Motor Cycles made Harley Davidson 45 bikes under license and they were flatheads. Most Japanese cars were small with little 4-bangers and some smaller than that back in the 30s & post war years.

12-12-2016, 10:53 PM	#6
mfagan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kaufman, TX Posts: 822	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Wow, what a story ! Wonder if ISIL is using any flatheads? __________________ Marvin Fagan 214-697-8430

12-13-2016, 11:29 AM	#7
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? I'm sure Singapore would have been a Ford of England assembly plant, not a factory capable of building engines! Flatheads there would have been limited to stock in hand.

12-13-2016, 02:12 PM	#9
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,601	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? Bruce is correct, the pre-WWII Yokohama operation was KD assembly only (assembly of knocked down vehicles from kits exported from the U.S.) Ford closed the doors at the onset of U.S. involvement in the war. Likely the photo in question was taken in late 1938 or 1939. As he indicated, engine manufacture in the period was limited to Dearborn, Windsor, Dagenham, and Cologne. The table at which the formal signing of the British forces surrender of Singapore was in the Managing Director's office and is now in an Australian war museum. Ford Singapore was not, however, a Ford of Britain subsidiary. Like all of the Ford companies in the British Commonwealth at that time except for England, it was a subsidiary of Ford of Canada.

12-13-2016, 02:29 PM	#10
rockfla Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 4,806	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? Dave Where the blocks manufactured at the above listed facilities marked as such? or any distinguishing features that might denote a Daginham or Colon block??

12-13-2016, 02:43 PM	#11
Daryl Middlebrook Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Penn Yan, NY Posts: 90	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? The Japanese miniature submarines that were involved in the attack of Pearl Harbor were powered by flathead Ford engines.---------Were those engines liberated from Singapore?---Probably no one will ever know.

12-13-2016, 02:55 PM	#12
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 17,410	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? Dagenham built a lot of 60 HP type engines and a lot of 221 21 stud engines. Many of them have the firing order cast into the heads. The German production in Cologne did have some differences in the block due to different availability of fuel and ignition systems components plus they were mostly for trucks.

12-13-2016, 03:14 PM	#13
Newc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,912	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? Interesting; I have a restored '35 Chev Military trk and the Japanese renactors [ww2] have studied it as their main trucks were Chev copies. Newc

12-13-2016, 03:40 PM	#14
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,985	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? They also mad P&W aircraft engines.

12-13-2016, 06:08 PM	#17
keith oh Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Millersport, central ohio Posts: 668	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? I don't know for sure but me and three other guys bought a 1941, 4dr Ford while I was in Japan during the Koran war (conflict). It was so sick we had to push it to start, burned more oil than gasoline. It still had part of chicken Sh**t methane gas generator on the back bumper they used during the 11nd war for fuel. I was the last to leave so I sold it to a company that had it restored and within 2 months they had it looking and running like new. Big american cars were a premium over there at a time when Toyotas looked and ran like Crosleys. I'll bet that old ford is still running.

12-13-2016, 06:24 PM	#18
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 17,410	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? That may have been a wood burner. An engine will run on wood smoke but I don't know if they had any wood either.

12-14-2016, 01:22 PM	#19
keith oh Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Millersport, central ohio Posts: 668	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? No Rotowrench, it was chicken. They made charcoal to heat it with then piped the methane generated directly into the top intake of carb. It assisted the fuel intake cutting way down on gas consumption.

12-14-2016, 07:11 PM	#20
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 17,410	Re: Did Japan make flatheads during WWII? The Germans used a lot of wood gas generators during the war but they did have more wood to burn. There were folks that used them here in the states during harder times. Here is a link for info. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas_generator Manure/methane digesters work OK but it still takes fuel to get the pot stewed up. With a wood gas generator, you just need the wood.