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tubman · 02-10-2017, 04:26 PM

I just came into possession of an aluminum Sharp 4 BBL manifold for an 8BA. Although it is a solid piece, with no chips, cracks, or bad bolt holes, it must have been stored in less than ideal conditions for a long time, because the finish is quite corroded. A stock 8BA oil fill tube is installed, and it must have been there a long time as well, as it has substantial surface rust There is a lot of corrosion where the oil fill tube fits in the manifold. I have soaked it in PB Blaster for two days, and try as I might, I can't get it out. I have removed these tubes from several manifolds before and have never has one as stuck as this one. Because of the way the casting was made, you can't get in from the bottom and use a punch like I have done in the past. I think it is time for a little heat. It would seem that some heat applied to the manifold might be the best way to go, because I think aluminum expands more than steel. Or maybe I should heat the steel tube?

Does anyone have any insight on how to proceed with this?

V8COOPMAN · 02-10-2017, 04:30 PM

Have you tried tapping it out from the bottom side with an appropriate tapping-out tool? DD

tubman · 02-10-2017, 04:33 PM

The computer somehow posted the thread when I had it only half done for some reason. When I finally finished entering it, I stated that the design of the manifold precludes this, which has always worked for me in the past.

V8COOPMAN · 02-10-2017, 04:42 PM

It might be time to just go ahead straight to a pipe wrench. DD

V12Bill · 02-10-2017, 04:43 PM

Aluminum melts at a low temp. Tap the fill tube on the the sides near the top and give it a rocking, pulling motion by hand. Try a penetrating oil.

tubman · 02-10-2017, 04:59 PM

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I don't think you could melt the manifold with a propane torch, could you? Like I said, I've done this several times before, and this one is stuck! I really don't want to use major force for fear of breaking the manifold. I thought I'd try a finesse' approach with heat first.

Russ/40 · 02-10-2017, 05:08 PM

Cut it off where it meets the manifold, and use a hacksaw blade to carefully split what remains. Then you can reinsert what's left of the tube if it's OK, or find a better tube. I always like to shorten the 8BA tubes anyway as they are so long. They look much better when shortened.

51 MERC-CT · 02-10-2017, 05:18 PM

Like V12bill says, tap the upper end of the tube in all directions (including as if installing ) Do not cut it off or you will be on the way to opening up a can of worms.

V8COOPMAN · 02-10-2017, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubman

I don't think you could melt the manifold with a propane torch, could you? Like I said, I've done this several times before, and this one is stuck! I really don't want to use major force for fear of breaking the manifold. I thought I'd try a finesse' approach with heat first.

Aluminum, depending on the mix, can begin to melt a little before 1,300 F. DD

tubman · 02-10-2017, 05:37 PM

"Google" says that an air-only propane torch (like a garden variety Bernzomatic) burns at more than 3500 degrees F! I did not know that. I guess melting the manifold could be a concern!

Craig CT · 02-10-2017, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubman

I just came into possession of an aluminum Sharp 4 BBL manifold for an 8BA. Although it is a solid piece, with no chips, cracks, or bad bolt holes, it must have been stored in less than ideal conditions for a long time, because the finish is quite corroded. A stock 8BA oil fill tube is installed, and it must have been there a long time as well, as it has substantial surface rust There is a lot of corrosion where the oil fill tube fits in the manifold. I have soaked it in PB Blaster for two days, and try as I might, I can't get it out. I have removed these tubes from several manifolds before and have never has one as stuck as this one. Because of the way the casting was made, you can't get in from the bottom and use a punch like I have done in the past. I think it is time for a little heat. It would seem that some heat applied to the manifold might be the best way to go, because I think aluminum expands more than steel. Or maybe I should heat the steel tube?

Does anyone have any insight on how to proceed with this?

Hi tubman; I'd drill a 3/8" to 1/2" hole through the tube about half way up and slide a one foot or longer rod through the hole and twist it out. Good luck, Craig.

Paul Selfe · 02-10-2017, 05:45 PM

Heat up the tube with a propane torch (it won't need a lot of heat) then melt some candle wax around the base of the pipe. Then tap the top of the pipe all around (as someone else said), it should loosen so you can twist it out. Paul Selfe.

Ronnie · 02-10-2017, 06:18 PM

Yup x 2 ^^^^
You won't harm the manifold with a propane torch.Don't try and remove until it cools somewhat it may take a couple of try's but it will come out.

R

flatjack9 · 02-10-2017, 06:19 PM

I'd start out using a heat gun, rather than a torch.

tubman · 02-10-2017, 06:51 PM

Thanks for the tips guys. I'm going to try a little heat, tapping, and penetrants first. This is a casting that is at least 60 years old and of questionable initial quality. I've seen too many aftermarket intakes over the years with broken flanges, broken bolt bosses, cracks, and especially damage to the generator mounting flanges to be wary of trying anything with a lot of brute force. If all of this fails, I'll probably try "Russ/40"'s method and cut it off flush; I'm sure I can get the remnants of the tube out with careful use of a die grinder. I agree with him that they're too tall stock. Wish me luck; I'm sure I'll get it. Patience is a virtue in a case like this.

Lanny · 02-10-2017, 08:03 PM

Hey Denny, are you having fun yet

As Paul Selfe said a few post above, use a little heat
and melt in a little candle wax (paraffin wax).

I've had success getting stuff apart with paraffin,,,good luck

.

Ol' Ron · 02-10-2017, 09:15 PM

50/50 mix will work the best as a releasing agent. Also put the intake in an oven and bring it up to 350 for an hour or so. might loosen it up.

19Fordy · 02-10-2017, 09:27 PM

Cut it off and use the die grinder to carefully grind thru the wall of the tube so you can split it and pull it out.

AnthonyG · 02-10-2017, 09:35 PM

Aluminum moves more with heat than steel. You should be able to heat the manifold to a 200 to 300 F degrees in an oven then remove and at the same temp the aluminum should expand more than the steel at the same temp, see the table. prior to the heating have a 1/2" or 5/8" hole drilled thru the oil fill to put a rod thru to give some torque to work it out. the steel should break free. Another trick as the aluminum has more mass and will hold radiat the heat longer is to apply a chunk of ice or cubes in a wet towel around the steel tube to ampifie the difference in the Thermal Expansion difference.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...les/thexp.html

tubman · 02-10-2017, 10:08 PM

I like the oven approach. I think that's gonna be my first try at this. Anthony, thanks for the information; that's exactly the what I was looking for when I started this thread. When I get it out of the oven, I think I'll just fill the tube with ice cubes and crank away.

Now, if I can just get the ole lady out of the house for a couple hours.......

02-10-2017, 04:26 PM	#1
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 11,638	Removing 8BA oil fill tube I just came into possession of an aluminum Sharp 4 BBL manifold for an 8BA. Although it is a solid piece, with no chips, cracks, or bad bolt holes, it must have been stored in less than ideal conditions for a long time, because the finish is quite corroded. A stock 8BA oil fill tube is installed, and it must have been there a long time as well, as it has substantial surface rust There is a lot of corrosion where the oil fill tube fits in the manifold. I have soaked it in PB Blaster for two days, and try as I might, I can't get it out. I have removed these tubes from several manifolds before and have never has one as stuck as this one. Because of the way the casting was made, you can't get in from the bottom and use a punch like I have done in the past. I think it is time for a little heat. It would seem that some heat applied to the manifold might be the best way to go, because I think aluminum expands more than steel. Or maybe I should heat the steel tube? Does anyone have any insight on how to proceed with this?

02-10-2017, 04:30 PM	#2
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 11,184	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Have you tried tapping it out from the bottom side with an appropriate tapping-out tool? DD __________________ *Click Links Below* __ ▼ *'35-'36 W/8BA & MECHANICAL FAN* *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE*

02-10-2017, 04:33 PM	#3
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 11,638	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube The computer somehow posted the thread when I had it only half done for some reason. When I finally finished entering it, I stated that the design of the manifold precludes this, which has always worked for me in the past.

02-10-2017, 04:42 PM	#4
V8COOPMAN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Shore of LAKE HOUSTON Posts: 11,184	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube It might be time to just go ahead straight to a pipe wrench. DD __________________ *Click Links Below* __ ▼ *'35-'36 W/8BA & MECHANICAL FAN* *T5 W/TORQUE TUBE*

02-10-2017, 04:43 PM	#5
V12Bill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mt. Holly,NJ Posts: 1,822	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Aluminum melts at a low temp. Tap the fill tube on the the sides near the top and give it a rocking, pulling motion by hand. Try a penetrating oil.

02-10-2017, 04:59 PM	#6
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 11,638	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I don't think you could melt the manifold with a propane torch, could you? Like I said, I've done this several times before, and this one is stuck! I really don't want to use major force for fear of breaking the manifold. I thought I'd try a finesse' approach with heat first. Last edited by tubman; 02-10-2017 at 05:10 PM.

02-10-2017, 05:08 PM	#7
Russ/40 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santee, California Posts: 3,505	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Cut it off where it meets the manifold, and use a hacksaw blade to carefully split what remains. Then you can reinsert what's left of the tube if it's OK, or find a better tube. I always like to shorten the 8BA tubes anyway as they are so long. They look much better when shortened.

02-10-2017, 05:18 PM	#8
51 MERC-CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Hartford, Ct Posts: 5,898	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Like V12bill says, tap the upper end of the tube in all directions (including as if installing ) Do not cut it off or you will be on the way to opening up a can of worms. __________________ DON'T RECALL DOING SOMETHING FOR MYSELF BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LIKES OR DISLIKES

02-10-2017, 05:37 PM	#10
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 11,638	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube "Google" says that an air-only propane torch (like a garden variety Bernzomatic) burns at more than 3500 degrees F! I did not know that. I guess melting the manifold could be a concern!

02-10-2017, 05:45 PM	#12
Paul Selfe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Novelty, Ohio Posts: 136	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Heat up the tube with a propane torch (it won't need a lot of heat) then melt some candle wax around the base of the pipe. Then tap the top of the pipe all around (as someone else said), it should loosen so you can twist it out. Paul Selfe.

02-10-2017, 06:18 PM	#13
Ronnie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canada Where it snows Posts: 2,059	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Yup x 2 ^^^^ You won't harm the manifold with a propane torch.Don't try and remove until it cools somewhat it may take a couple of try's but it will come out. R

02-10-2017, 06:19 PM	#14
flatjack9 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oshkosh, Wi Posts: 4,600	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube I'd start out using a heat gun, rather than a torch.

02-10-2017, 06:51 PM	#15
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 11,638	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Thanks for the tips guys. I'm going to try a little heat, tapping, and penetrants first. This is a casting that is at least 60 years old and of questionable initial quality. I've seen too many aftermarket intakes over the years with broken flanges, broken bolt bosses, cracks, and especially damage to the generator mounting flanges to be wary of trying anything with a lot of brute force. If all of this fails, I'll probably try "Russ/40"'s method and cut it off flush; I'm sure I can get the remnants of the tube out with careful use of a die grinder. I agree with him that they're too tall stock. Wish me luck; I'm sure I'll get it. Patience is a virtue in a case like this.

02-10-2017, 08:03 PM	#16
Lanny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mn Posts: 2,543	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Hey Denny, are you having fun yet As Paul Selfe said a few post above, use a little heat and melt in a little candle wax (paraffin wax). I've had success getting stuff apart with paraffin,,,good luck . __________________ If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. But if daddy ain't happy...RUN What I GOT DONE TODAY... I got the rear-end put in the recliner, and now I'm going to rest up & watch TV.

02-10-2017, 09:15 PM	#17
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,985	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube 50/50 mix will work the best as a releasing agent. Also put the intake in an oven and bring it up to 350 for an hour or so. might loosen it up.

02-10-2017, 09:27 PM	#18
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 11,604	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Cut it off and use the die grinder to carefully grind thru the wall of the tube so you can split it and pull it out.

02-10-2017, 09:35 PM	#19
AnthonyG Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Pa. Posts: 2,217	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube Aluminum moves more with heat than steel. You should be able to heat the manifold to a 200 to 300 F degrees in an oven then remove and at the same temp the aluminum should expand more than the steel at the same temp, see the table. prior to the heating have a 1/2" or 5/8" hole drilled thru the oil fill to put a rod thru to give some torque to work it out. the steel should break free. Another trick as the aluminum has more mass and will hold radiat the heat longer is to apply a chunk of ice or cubes in a wet towel around the steel tube to ampifie the difference in the Thermal Expansion difference. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...les/thexp.html __________________ Nomad

02-10-2017, 10:08 PM	#20
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 11,638	Re: Removing 8BA oil fill tube I like the oven approach. I think that's gonna be my first try at this. Anthony, thanks for the information; that's exactly the what I was looking for when I started this thread. When I get it out of the oven, I think I'll just fill the tube with ice cubes and crank away. Now, if I can just get the ole lady out of the house for a couple hours.......