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Noblebeidoun · 11-03-2012, 06:50 PM

Hey guys! i had some questions, me and my son are looking to put a 2.5 iron duke with a T4 manual tranmission into our Model a, and we were wondering if the iron duke would fit in the engine bay? and also what rear axle to go with? thanks fir your help!

marc hildebrant · 11-03-2012, 06:59 PM

Is the original motor O.K. ?

Marc

Tom in SW VA · 11-03-2012, 07:09 PM

Why would you ruin a classic?

Noblebeidoun · 11-03-2012, 07:20 PM

its our own fun project gentlemen, simple as that. yes the original motor is okay

RichPA · 11-03-2012, 07:23 PM

Warning Warning,you are on the wrong forum,try the HAMB

glenn in camino · 11-03-2012, 07:36 PM

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A guy in my club put a Toyota 4 banger in his tudor. He's really an ok guy though and stays in the middle of the group on our tours. STOCK MODEL As AND BLUE RIBBON CARS FOREVER.

Special Coupe Frank · 11-03-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Noblebeidoun

Hey guys! i had some questions, me and my son are looking to put a 2.5 iron duke with a T4 manual tranmission into our Model a, and we were wondering if the iron duke would fit in the engine bay? and also what rear axle to go with? thanks fir your help!

There's a fellow running around here with a '28-'29 Sport Coupe with the iron duke four, not sure on the tranny - I believe it's a floor-shift manual - I think it's a stock Ford rear (higher r&p?), but I think he converted it to hydraulic brakes. Don't remember the stock firewall being disturbed.

If you substitute a modern tranny, this can cause major issues with the rear radius rods and mechanical brake linkages, as these either attach to or are built around the stock driveline.

There is a company that makes a kit to install a modern T-5 five-speed behind the A engine, and keep the mechanical brakes... not sure who though. Saw one this summer and it was a very neat set-up.

It's kind of a slippery-slope though - modify one element, and that necessitates five other mods...

marc hildebrant · 11-03-2012, 11:41 PM

The Hot Rod forum is a better place for your question.

Marc

700rpm · 11-04-2012, 12:23 AM

Troll alert.

Mike V. Florida · 11-04-2012, 02:07 AM

He has posted his question on the HAMB board as well.

Mike V. Florida · 11-04-2012, 03:14 AM

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=378009

MikeK · 11-04-2012, 04:14 AM

Ditto on 700rpm's comment.

Del in NE Ohio · 11-04-2012, 07:48 AM

I have a friend in hermitage pa who put an iron duke engine in his 31 vicky. Not something i would do, if you send me a p/m i will put you in touch

Steve Wastler · 11-04-2012, 08:41 AM

What is an iron duke?

zzlegend · 11-04-2012, 09:14 AM

Steve, 4 cylinder that came in 80's jeeps, mail trucks, pontiac fiero and others. Similiar to the chevy nova motor of the early sixtys that they now use in mercruiser boats. Both are good little motors.

Steve Wastler · 11-04-2012, 09:47 AM

Thanks, never heard the term before. It puzzles me to think someone with a stock a with a good motor, would remove it to put in a later 4 cylinder, why not just buy a shay? As a purist I find it offensive! JMHO

zzlegend · 11-04-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Wastler

Thanks, never heard the term before. It puzzles me to think someone with a stock a with a good motor, would remove it to put in a later 4 cylinder, why not just buy a shay? As a purist I find it offensive! JMHO

I agree. If it is mostly complete and stock and running, just leave it. I could possibly see his side if it was just a body and frame and missing most stock parts and a project.

P.S. · 11-04-2012, 11:11 AM

Although I side with you guys on an emotional level ("Why ruin a good car?"); The fact is, the car belongs to him, and he is free to do with it as he wishes.

What we all need is for someone to come here and post pictures of a Model A hot rod that was converted back to stock. That would make us all feel better! For some reason, it's always the other way around...

If it makes you guys feel any better, my 31 Tudor was saved from becoming a hot rod. Seller sold it to us rather than the rodder even though he inquired first, simply because we promised to finish restoring it to stock condition.

Steve Wastler · 11-04-2012, 11:33 AM

I will add, that although I consider myself a purist I can appreciate the the right mods of others A's, even to the extent of a nice street rod. The sedan listed For sale 60s throw back, is really sweet. I could probably buy one already done, long ago, but could never convert one myself....

Steve Wastler · 11-04-2012, 11:36 AM

Not really emotion involved in my thought process, more of it just doesn't make sence.

11-03-2012, 06:50 PM	#1
Noblebeidoun Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 10	Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Hey guys! i had some questions, me and my son are looking to put a 2.5 iron duke with a T4 manual tranmission into our Model a, and we were wondering if the iron duke would fit in the engine bay? and also what rear axle to go with? thanks fir your help!

11-03-2012, 06:59 PM	#2
marc hildebrant Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cape Cod Posts: 1,128	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Is the original motor O.K. ? Marc

11-03-2012, 07:09 PM	#3
Tom in SW VA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Richlands, VA Posts: 533	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Why would you ruin a classic?

11-03-2012, 07:20 PM	#4
Noblebeidoun Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 10	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor its our own fun project gentlemen, simple as that. yes the original motor is okay

11-03-2012, 07:23 PM	#5
RichPA Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: rowland PA Posts: 186	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Warning Warning,you are on the wrong forum,try the HAMB

11-03-2012, 07:36 PM	#6
glenn in camino Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camino, CA. Posts: 3,086	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) A guy in my club put a Toyota 4 banger in his tudor. He's really an ok guy though and stays in the middle of the group on our tours. STOCK MODEL As AND BLUE RIBBON CARS FOREVER.

11-03-2012, 11:41 PM	#8
marc hildebrant Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cape Cod Posts: 1,128	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor The Hot Rod forum is a better place for your question. Marc

11-04-2012, 12:23 AM	#9
700rpm Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 6,039	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Troll alert. __________________ Ray Horton, Portland, OR As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.

11-04-2012, 02:07 AM	#10
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida between Sarasota and TampaSouth Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor He has posted his question on the HAMB board as well. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

11-04-2012, 03:14 AM	#11
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida between Sarasota and TampaSouth Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=378009 __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

11-04-2012, 04:14 AM	#12
MikeK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Windy City Posts: 2,919	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Ditto on 700rpm's comment.

11-04-2012, 07:48 AM	#13
Del in NE Ohio Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Columbiana,OH Posts: 467	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor I have a friend in hermitage pa who put an iron duke engine in his 31 vicky. Not something i would do, if you send me a p/m i will put you in touch

11-04-2012, 08:41 AM	#14
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor What is an iron duke?

11-04-2012, 09:14 AM	#15
zzlegend Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Reseda, Calif. Posts: 2,191	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Steve, 4 cylinder that came in 80's jeeps, mail trucks, pontiac fiero and others. Similiar to the chevy nova motor of the early sixtys that they now use in mercruiser boats. Both are good little motors.

11-04-2012, 09:47 AM	#16
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Thanks, never heard the term before. It puzzles me to think someone with a stock a with a good motor, would remove it to put in a later 4 cylinder, why not just buy a shay? As a purist I find it offensive! JMHO

11-04-2012, 11:11 AM	#18
P.S. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Hazzard County Posts: 1,921	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Although I side with you guys on an emotional level ("Why ruin a good car?"); The fact is, the car belongs to him, and he is free to do with it as he wishes. What we all need is for someone to come here and post pictures of a Model A hot rod that was converted back to stock. That would make us all feel better! For some reason, it's always the other way around... If it makes you guys feel any better, my 31 Tudor was saved from becoming a hot rod. Seller sold it to us rather than the rodder even though he inquired first, simply because we promised to finish restoring it to stock condition.

11-04-2012, 11:33 AM	#19
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor I will add, that although I consider myself a purist I can appreciate the the right mods of others A's, even to the extent of a nice street rod. The sedan listed For sale 60s throw back, is really sweet. I could probably buy one already done, long ago, but could never convert one myself....

11-04-2012, 11:36 AM	#20
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: Engine change in 1929 Ford Model A Fordor Not really emotion involved in my thought process, more of it just doesn't make sence.