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DennisR · 05-20-2016, 09:37 AM

Removed my oil pan today to clean it out ready for the new oil, filter etc., had a pleasant surprise after reading about other peoples findings re. sludge. Not having any history of the car I didn`t know what to expect, but when it came off there was about a cup full of not to thick sludge and the remainder of the oil. The not so good news was finding the timing wheel with a lot of worn/damaged teeth. I took some pics, I would appreciate any comments/ observations on the condition of what can be seen, I wouldn`t know what to look for.
Can`t upload pics, `a security code missing` not had that before...........
should read `a security token missing`

CarlG · 05-20-2016, 09:49 AM

Time to give Dan a call. He has the best timing/crank gears out there. (from the sticky above):

TIMING GEARS
1. No known website: Dan McEachern (510) 532-8228 (Californaia)

glenn in camino · 05-20-2016, 10:00 AM

Use a metal timing gear, bronze or aluminum.

tbirdtbird · 05-20-2016, 10:01 AM

agree wholeheartedly with Carl.

You undoubtedly have the fiber gear and it is about to fail and leave you stranded by the roadside. There should not be any worn/damaged teeth on such a critical part.

Dan is the best. He has aluminum and bronze to choose from. Both are quite good. Neither will be noisy. Have installed many of them, they are quiet. I prefer the bronze, it will outlast the next 10 owners and is a naturally lubricating quality

oops Glenn types faster

C26Pinelake · 05-20-2016, 10:05 AM

buy the bronze you won't regret it. Wayne

leo · 05-20-2016, 10:55 AM

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I have not read anything about fiber timing gears failing that I can recall, but since I have a new one in my rebuilt engine how concerned should I be? Is this a question of shoddy parts again?

Tom Wesenberg · 05-20-2016, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leo

I have not read anything about fiber timing gears failing that I can recall, but since I have a new one in my rebuilt engine how concerned should I be? Is this a question of shoddy parts again?

There were two types of fiber gears. One style was bad, while the other was OK. I don't worry about mine, but no doubt the metal gears would be tops for long life. If my fiber gear gets worn teeth, then a metal gear will be installed.

tbirdtbird · 05-20-2016, 11:31 AM

"I have not read anything about fiber timing gears failing that I can recall,"

it happens all the time and there are many posts to that effect. The one with the metal center is pure junk. The one that is all fiber will last a while. 10-20K maybe.
I have removed all fiber ones that had parts of three teeth missing after only 10K miles.

I think the original Ford fiber gears were made better than what we can get today.
If it is all fiber and the engine is new and you don't do much touring then you will be OK for years to come.
A lot of questions here depend on how the car owner plans to use the car. Parts on an ice cream car will last way longer than if touring

DennisR · 05-20-2016, 11:40 AM

Reference my first post here are the pics
http://s723.photobucket.com/user/MrC...rary/Oil%20Pan
I have now ordered a new fibre wheel, nut, gaskets etc., couldn`t get an alloy one, would have to wait now I can get the job done on Monday.
Actually the wheel is laminated, I`ll get things right one day.....................

burner31 · 05-20-2016, 11:43 AM

Ford made/installed fiber gears?

Really?, way back then?...I had no idea.

Wish I enjoyed learning this much when i was in school...but then again...they weren't teaching Model A 101.

Tom Wesenberg · 05-20-2016, 12:59 PM

Actually several car companies used fiber gears, but they were well built of quality materials. I think it was Bratton's catalog that tells about the better laminated gear vs. the poor quality macerated gear.

As Tbird said, don't install the fiber gear with the metal center, as they work loose from each other.

tinman080 · 05-20-2016, 01:09 PM

upload your pics ONE at a time...you can post 10 if you want.

Tiny · 05-20-2016, 01:10 PM

Here's you pic

Use the IMG code over on the right. Cut and paste the link and it will show the pics

Tom Wesenberg · 05-20-2016, 01:29 PM

Good thing you caught it now. How does the crank gear look?

Patrick L. · 05-20-2016, 01:39 PM

My question too, how is the crank gear ?

The cam gear is easy, crank gear not so much, its a PITA. I'd like to know what chewed up that gear.

Terry, NJ · 05-20-2016, 02:18 PM

Aside from your timing gear, How was everything else? It doesn't sound like you had much sludge, what kind of oil were you using? Check your oil screen, one of mine was only letting about 25% of the oil through. That was the same engine that had the wiped out Main bearing (center) and the undersize center cam journal (again center) The minimum allowable is 1.557. Good luck!
Terry

Quote:

Originally Posted by DennisR

Removed my oil pan today to clean it out ready for the new oil, filter etc., had a pleasant surprise after reading about other peoples findings re. sludge. Not having any history of the car I didn`t know what to expect, but when it came off there was about a cup full of not to thick sludge and the remainder of the oil. The not so good news was finding the timing wheel with a lot of worn/damaged teeth. I took some pics, I would appreciate any comments/ observations on the condition of what can be seen, I wouldn`t know what to look for.
Can`t upload pics, `a security code missing` not had that before...........
should read `a security token missing`

1955cj5 · 05-20-2016, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DennisR

Reference my first post here are the pics
http://s723.photobucket.com/user/MrC...rary/Oil%20Pan
I have now ordered a new fibre wheel, nut, gaskets etc., couldn`t get an alloy one, would have to wait now I can get the job done on Monday.
Actually the wheel is laminated, I`ll get things right one day.....................

The first picture is of an old used laminated gear..

The second is the one of the types to be avoided...I was in the process of installing it when I was enlightened....

Bob C · 05-20-2016, 03:24 PM

This is the other one to avoid.

Bob

CarlG · 05-20-2016, 04:07 PM

These are the ones I like:

ian Simpson · 05-20-2016, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DennisR

Removed my oil pan today to clean it out ready for the new oil, filter etc., had a pleasant surprise after reading about other peoples findings re. sludge. Not having any history of the car I didn`t know what to expect, but when it came off there was about a cup full of not to thick sludge and the remainder of the oil. The not so good news was finding the timing wheel with a lot of worn/damaged teeth. I took some pics, I would appreciate any comments/ observations on the condition of what can be seen, I wouldn`t know what to look for.
Can`t upload pics, `a security code missing` not had that before...........
should read `a security token missing`

The message "a security token missing" is the result of a virus. I have just removed it from my computer a few minutes ago by using the tips in the following link: https://malwaretips.com/blogs/remove...us/#adwcleaner

05-20-2016, 09:37 AM	#1
DennisR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Southampton, England Posts: 326	Dropped my Oil Pan Removed my oil pan today to clean it out ready for the new oil, filter etc., had a pleasant surprise after reading about other peoples findings re. sludge. Not having any history of the car I didn`t know what to expect, but when it came off there was about a cup full of not to thick sludge and the remainder of the oil. The not so good news was finding the timing wheel with a lot of worn/damaged teeth. I took some pics, I would appreciate any comments/ observations on the condition of what can be seen, I wouldn`t know what to look for. Can`t upload pics, `a security code missing` not had that before........... should read `a security token missing` __________________ Love a Lot, Trust a Few Always Paddle Your Own Canoe Last edited by DennisR; 05-20-2016 at 11:06 AM. Reason: alter wording

05-20-2016, 09:49 AM	#2
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,192	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan Time to give Dan a call. He has the best timing/crank gears out there. (from the sticky above): TIMING GEARS 1. No known website: Dan McEachern (510) 532-8228 (Californaia) __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club

05-20-2016, 10:00 AM	#3
glenn in camino Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camino, CA. Posts: 3,086	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan Use a metal timing gear, bronze or aluminum.

05-20-2016, 10:01 AM	#4
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan agree wholeheartedly with Carl. You undoubtedly have the fiber gear and it is about to fail and leave you stranded by the roadside. There should not be any worn/damaged teeth on such a critical part. Dan is the best. He has aluminum and bronze to choose from. Both are quite good. Neither will be noisy. Have installed many of them, they are quiet. I prefer the bronze, it will outlast the next 10 owners and is a naturally lubricating quality oops Glenn types faster __________________ '31 180A

05-20-2016, 10:05 AM	#5
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan buy the bronze you won't regret it. Wayne

05-20-2016, 10:55 AM	#6
leo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 734	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I have not read anything about fiber timing gears failing that I can recall, but since I have a new one in my rebuilt engine how concerned should I be? Is this a question of shoddy parts again?

05-20-2016, 11:31 AM	#8
tbirdtbird BANNED Join Date: May 2012 Location: inside your RAM Posts: 3,134	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan "I have not read anything about fiber timing gears failing that I can recall," it happens all the time and there are many posts to that effect. The one with the metal center is pure junk. The one that is all fiber will last a while. 10-20K maybe. I have removed all fiber ones that had parts of three teeth missing after only 10K miles. I think the original Ford fiber gears were made better than what we can get today. If it is all fiber and the engine is new and you don't do much touring then you will be OK for years to come. A lot of questions here depend on how the car owner plans to use the car. Parts on an ice cream car will last way longer than if touring __________________ '31 180A

05-20-2016, 11:40 AM	#9
DennisR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Southampton, England Posts: 326	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan Reference my first post here are the pics http://s723.photobucket.com/user/MrC...rary/Oil%20Pan I have now ordered a new fibre wheel, nut, gaskets etc., couldn`t get an alloy one, would have to wait now I can get the job done on Monday. Actually the wheel is laminated, I`ll get things right one day..................... __________________ Love a Lot, Trust a Few Always Paddle Your Own Canoe Last edited by DennisR; 05-20-2016 at 11:53 AM. Reason: got it wrong

05-20-2016, 11:43 AM	#10
burner31 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Shawnee, Ok Posts: 3,479	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan Ford made/installed fiber gears? Really?, way back then?...I had no idea. Wish I enjoyed learning this much when i was in school...but then again...they weren't teaching Model A 101. __________________ Keith Shawnee OK '31 SW 160-B

05-20-2016, 12:59 PM	#11
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan Actually several car companies used fiber gears, but they were well built of quality materials. I think it was Bratton's catalog that tells about the better laminated gear vs. the poor quality macerated gear. As Tbird said, don't install the fiber gear with the metal center, as they work loose from each other.

05-20-2016, 01:09 PM	#12
tinman080 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Forest, Virginia Posts: 250	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan upload your pics ONE at a time...you can post 10 if you want. __________________ Just Passin' Thru.....Slowly!

05-20-2016, 01:10 PM	#13
Tiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Redding Cal Posts: 1,388	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan Here's you pic Use the IMG code over on the right. Cut and paste the link and it will show the pics __________________ Blackwall Panthers Nor Cal chapter Last edited by Tiny; 05-20-2016 at 01:15 PM.

05-20-2016, 01:29 PM	#14
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan Good thing you caught it now. How does the crank gear look?

05-20-2016, 01:39 PM	#15
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: Dropped my Oil Pan My question too, how is the crank gear ? The cam gear is easy, crank gear not so much, its a PITA. I'd like to know what chewed up that gear.