February 1929 Tudor front floor mat...

[Steve Plucker]

Very interesting here, I was thinking that the February 1929 Tudor came with a rubber floor mat. But there are no attachments (studs) what so ever to attach the rubber mat to the subframe. With that observation, the front floor cover had to be carpet but the standards says the carpet ended "mid 1928" (say August 1928) and the rubber mat then came into being.

Another interesting fact about this February 1929 Tudor plus a few other things.

Would there have been carpet fasteners then on the front floor boards if that was the case? Guess I will have top brave the heat and go out into the wearhouse to look.

The rear mat is deffenitly carpet.

Thanks.

Pluck

[hazelhoff]

Dear Steve, the Standards are man-made, so the carpet is not excluded to the diary. Many peolple do not live up to standards after all.


Henk

[wrndln]

Steve,
I think carpets used mat studs to secure the carpet. I was pretty sure tudors had rubber mats, but I could be wrong. The judging guidelines show rubber mats used for late 28 and 29 tudors. Are you sure someone didn't remove the studs? Most of my cars have at least some of the studs missing, but not all of them. You should sent an email to Gary Karr and ask what he did on his Henry award winning 29 tudor. I don't know what month his car is, but I vaguely remember it was manufactured in the first half of 29.
Rusty Nelson

[Great Lakes Greg]

My March 6th. '29 Tudor has the studs.

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by wrndln

Steve,
I think carpets used mat studs to secure the carpet. I was pretty sure tudors had rubber mats, but I could be wrong. The judging guidelines show rubber mats used for late 28 and 29 tudors. Are you sure someone didn't remove the studs? Most of my cars have at least some of the studs missing, but not all of them. You should sent an email to Gary Karr and ask what he did on his Henry award winning 29 tudor. I don't know what month his car is, but I vaguely remember it was manufactured in the first half of 29.
Rusty Nelson

Rusty,

Yes, I am very sure on that one...No studs have ever been removed if they were there at all. If the rear mat was carpet, which it is in this Tudor, would not the front be carpet also?

Did the Tudors ever have a rubber mat in the back?

Pluck

[Tom Wesenberg]

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My 2-23-29 Tudor has the rubber mat studs.

Original rubber mats had fabric reinforcing molded in around the holes.

[mot]

here is an original fordor
it had rubber in the front and carpet in the rear
dont know which year or month it was (28 or 29)
tom

[Gary Karr]

Originally Posted by wrndln

Steve,
I think carpets used mat studs to secure the carpet. I was pretty sure tudors had rubber mats, but I could be wrong. The judging guidelines show rubber mats used for late 28 and 29 tudors. Are you sure someone didn't remove the studs? Most of my cars have at least some of the studs missing, but not all of them. You should sent an email to Gary Karr and ask what he did on his Henry award winning 29 tudor. I don't know what month his car is, but I vaguely remember it was manufactured in the first half of 29.
Rusty Nelson

My early Feb '29 Tudor does have rubber mats both front and rear and did come with the mat stays although some were missing before I restored it.

[Steve Plucker]

I am beginning to think that this February 1929 Tudor body of mine just might be earlier that I think. It has the carpet in the rear...Hard telling what was up front. The original upholstery door panels ar the next generation without the special band on top.

Thanks Guys.

Pluck

[Tom Wesenberg]

Door panels without the top trim band would be correct for early 29 wouldn't it?

[2manycars]

My january 29 tudor has the hollow studs to hold the mats, front and rear.

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Door panels without the top trim band would be correct for early 29 wouldn't it?

Yes it would Tom...That is what's funny about it plus a few other things such as the two holes, left and right, in the front coss member for the two engine splash pans...suposed to be deleted by December 1928 or there abouts.

But back to this issue...If in fact this car came with a carpet type front floor mat...would it or would it not have the studs in the subframe?

Again, not one is there...not one BUT the holes are there.

Pluck

[Steve Wastler]

Not sure on Tudors specifically, but my 28 fordor has 'mat' studs' for the front carpet 'mat' at firewall and in front of riser. Rear carpet 'mat' has front and rear studs as well. I would think Ford used the term 'mat' for both carpet and rubber if they weren't permanently fastened.

[Steve Wastler]

At firewall

[Steve Wastler]

Rear

[Steve Plucker]

I am beginning to think that the Assembly Plant just ran out of the studs and did not even put them into the car in this case. There is nothing there telling me that it was a "carpet" type mat or a "rubber" type mat that was originally used in the front seat area of this Tudor. Not on the original floorboards or the sub assembly.

But since it has an original "carpet" mat in the back, guess I will put a "carpet" type mat in the front.

Anyone with an original "carpet" type mat to fit a 1928 Tudor Sedan?

Pluck

[Gary Karr]

Mat stays on the Ford bodies are installed like a semi-tubular rivet with the end peened over and could have easily been pulled out when the mat was pulled up.

[Steve Plucker]

Vince:

Why do you say it had to be carpet, because it does not have mat studs? Sounds like you are missing the carpet studs as well. Seems from the timing that the car would have mats, not carpet, and the studs have gone broken or missing over the years. Also a note from the JS:



Gary:

Mat stays on the Ford bodies are installed like a semi-tubular rivet with the end peened over and could have easily been pulled out when the mat was pulled up.

Me:

I do not disagree with any of those thoughts, but here is the thing, first, the rubber mat stays, all six, are not there nor are there any tell tale signs of them being there in the first place by the way the original paint looks in those six areas. Second, there are no carpet fasteners to fasten the carpet to if that were the case.

So I guess it is six of one and 1/2 a dozen of the other.

So here is my question: When Ford went from carpet to rubber floor mats in the 28-29 Tudors, was it done at the same time OR was there always a carpet in the back area with a rubber floor mat up front?

Thanks.

Pluck

[Tudortomnz]

Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

Vince
So here is my question: When Ford went from carpet to rubber floor mats in the 28-29 Tudors, was it done at the same time OR was there always a carpet in the back area with a rubber floor mat up front?

Thanks.

Pluck

Who can answer this?
I would be checking out all the original early Tudors in your area for a start.
Front mats have always taken a beating & the rubber they used back then dried out & lacked durability. It is strange your car lacks the mat studs.
If it interests you, my Tudor has the rear rubber [ Baldwin, Pontiac, Mich.] mat but the front one was gone at 64,000 miles. It now has a repro RHD rubber mat that looks like it will outlive the car.
Cheers