Anti Squeak pad between frame and springs?

[TBone69]

Hi Folks

In the tear down process of my Model A chassis I found remnants of some sort of insulator pad in the rear spring pocket in the crossmember.

I've looked in the catalogs but don't see this listed.

Guess my question is, Is there supposed to be an insulator of sorts between the front/rear spring and the frame?

If so maybe I am not looking in the right place for this part. I'm putting together a list for a parts order and want to make sure I have what I need to start reassembly.

Thanks
Tom

[QGolden]

Hi
Do a search for spring squeak,. Lots of topics using multiple products. I used the teflon strips, some use paint, but there have been multiple products over the years placed between springs.

[QGolden]

Actually I misread your post, sorry. I thought you were referring to between the springs. I have not seen anything placed in the pocket. It would interfere with the notch for the square head in the centerbolt.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by TBone69

Hi Folks

In the tear down process of my Model A chassis I found remnants of some sort of insulator pad in the rear spring pocket in the crossmember.

I've looked in the catalogs but don't see this listed.

Guess my question is, Is there supposed to be an insulator of sorts between the front/rear spring and the frame?

If so maybe I am not looking in the right place for this part. I'm putting together a list for a parts order and want to make sure I have what I need to start reassembly.

Thanks
Tom

Tom, I do not have an exact answer for you because there is not any mention of it in parts books nor a print for it at the archives however we too have found remnants of a pad on some Model-A's we have disassembled. The Model-T used a leather pad, and I believe the Early V-8 used a pad too. Since I have no way of knowing the entire history of the vehicles we have disassembled that did have it, I have no way to verify the pad was actually installed during manufacturing. If you are wanting to install something, look to a Model-T parts vendor for them.

[Patrick L.]

I've installed a piece of thin tough oil soaked leather just for peace of mind while the spring was already out.

[Dale G.]

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John Kluttz says there never was anything between the top spring leaf and the cross member from the factory except grease. Stick your hand in a bucket of bearing grease and get a big gob in your palm and spread it on the top leaf both front and back.

[TBone69]

I knew I've seen something before, Sacremento Vintage Ford has them for front and rear spring. Wasn't sure if these where "improvement" parts or original equipment.

[J Franklin]

When I changed my front spring it had a pad so I cut a piece from a leather belt and greased it up. Cut a hole for the bolt head if what you use isn't already made up.

[Lowbuckboz]

I have used a piece of frame to body webbing.

[Mitch//pa]

Originally Posted by Lowbuckboz

I have used a piece of frame to body webbing.

thats what i use and cut a hole for the centering bolt

[Lowbuckboz]

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

thats what i use and cut a hole for the centering bolt

Absolutely cut a hole, failed to mention that. Thanks Mitch!

[Steve Plucker]

OK Guys...Here it is...On a lot of the bodys, where the top of the rear crossmember (in the area you are refering to) comes in contact with the body, you will notice two holes about (I am guessing here) about 6-7 inches apart. These two holes were for a strip of welting for which was attached to the body by split rivits.

Not sure if these holes are on ALL bodys...but they sure were (along with the split rivits) on my 1929 Standard Coupe body. Split rivits were installed from inside the body and were turned out onto the fabric.

Brent you should know this!

I am getting ready to pull the 1929 Tudor body off of my chassis and will report back on that one (which wont be till sometime after wheat harvest). UPDATE:...The Feb/Mar 1929 Tudor Sedan Body DOES NOT have provisions of the two holes for the anti-squeak webbing in that area.

I do not know if FORD took the time to "cut a hole" in the fabric when installed.

You will not find this part in the Parts Price Lists...but may be in the Body Parts Lists.

There was no anti-squeak material originally placed between the front and/or rear springs and the frame. Nor are there holes in the frame to sucure this.

Pluck

[Mitch//pa]

my late 30 tudor does not have the extra holes..

[Mike V. Florida]

Are we talking about frame and springs or frame and body? I thought by the title the question was about the frame and springs?

[Mitch//pa]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

Are we talking about frame and springs or frame and body? I thought by the title the question was about the frame and springs?

mike not sure what you asking
the title says frame and springs

and holes in the frame to rivet anti squeeak between spring and frame

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by TBone69

Hi Folks

In the tear down process of my Model A chassis I found remnants of some sort of insulator pad in the rear spring pocket in the crossmember.

I've looked in the catalogs but don't see this listed.

Guess my question is, Is there supposed to be an insulator of sorts between the front/rear spring and the frame? There was no anti-squeak originally placed between the springs and the frame...front or back!

If so, please point it out in the Parts Price List.

If so maybe I am not looking in the right place for this part. I'm putting together a list for a parts order and want to make sure I have what I need to start reassembly.

Thanks
Tom

See above...

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

Are we talking about frame and springs or frame and body? I thought by the title the question was about the frame and springs?

The original question was about material between the springs and frame but it leads us to why one sees this in the "cavity" of the frame where the spring bolt is. Some Model A's had a place ON THE BODY to secure such antisqueak material (see my post above)...some did not...I believe this is what he is seeing...material from such a car that had it.

There is no indication in the Parts Price Lists of any type of antisqueak in relation to the front or rear spring assembly.

Pluck

[d.j. moordigian]

Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

OK Guys...Here it is...On a lot of the bodys, where the top of the rear crossmember (in the area you are refering to) comes in contact with the body, you will notice two holes about (I am guessing here) about 6-7 inches apart. These two holes were for a strip of welting for which was attached to the body by split rivits.

Not sure if these holes are on ALL bodys...but they sure were (along with the split rivits) on my 1929 Standard Coupe body. Split rivits were installed from inside the body and were turned out onto the fabric.

Brent you should know this!

I am getting ready to pull the 1929 Tudor body off of my chassis and will report back on that one (which wont be till sometime after wheat harvest). UPDATE:...The Feb/Mar 1929 Tudor Sedan Body DOES NOT have provisions of the two holes for the anti-squeak webbing in that area.

I do not know if FORD took the time to "cut a hole" in the fabric when installed.

You will not find this part in the Parts Price Lists...but may be in the Body Parts Lists.

There was no anti-squeak material originally placed between the front and/or rear springs and the frame. Nor are there holes in the frame to sucure this.

Pluck

Steve, I've looked in the Body Parts List Book recently,...and couldn't
find it. I looked in a known section(Roadsters) and it wasn't there.

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

mike not sure what you asking
the title says frame and springs

and holes in the frame to rivet anti squeeak between spring and frame

If this is really that were are talking about now, the 15"" Piece of 1/8"" x 2"" welt fits on the rear floor pan with split rivets, is it not this part http://www.mikes-afordable.com/product/A5701.html ?

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

The original question was about material between the springs and frame but it leads us to why one sees this in the "cavity" of the frame where the spring bolt is. Some Model A's had a place ON THE BODY to secure such antisqueak material (see my post above)...some did not...I believe this is what he is seeing...material from such a car that had it.

There is no indication in the Parts Price Lists of any type of antisqueak in relation to the front or rear spring assembly.

Pluck

Thank you clearing that up I was confused see my post above for the part that is available for the body.