The color BLACK in the JS...
 

A few years back I wanted to see just how many different "BLACK" designations there were in the MARC/MAFCA Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards.

Here were my results...

CODES


All “sprayed” (S) parts are Moderate Gloss (MG) according to the Paint & Finish Guide, page 12.

All “dipped” (D) parts are Very Glossy (VG) according to Paint & Finish Guide, page 12.

Unknown (U).

Black (B).

Black Enamel (BE).

Black Japan Baking Enamel (BJBE).

Black Lacquer (BL).

Black Moderate Gloss (BMG).

Chassis Black Enamel (CBE).

Chassis Black Pyroxylin Lacquer (CBPL).

Dull Black (DB).

Dull Black Enamel (DBE).

Dull Black Gas Resistant Japan Enamel (DBGRJE).

Dull Black Nickel (DBN).

Dull Black Wood Preservative (DBWP).

Gloss Black (GB).

Gloss Black Enamel (GBE).

Japan Black Enamel (JBE).

Japan Enamel (JE).

Low Gloss (LG).

Low Gloss Black Lacquer (LGBL).

Rubbed Out To Very Glossy (ROTVG).

Rubberized Black Enamel (RBE).

Satin Black (SB).

Semi-Gloss (SG).

Semi Gloss Black Enamel (SGBE).
* there is another finish also (see Judging Standards).

This was done in 2006 so hopefully the NEW Revised 2011 standards have reduced this list...have not yet checked.

Interesting.

Pluck

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Good job!!

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So where does PPG 9300 hundred Black fit in :confused: :D :) :p Thank you Steve , Now to find them all in a spray can....:eek:

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Great chart i too would be interested in the new standards and what they have narrowed it down to?

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If there are correct BLACK finishes that the Judges know are correct have they informed everyone that part X needs to be painted in DuPont (or whatever brand) BLACK # ----- or is it all guess work on the part of the restorer?

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Steve, great list! Anyone who has tried to accurately restore an all black car soon learns how many varieties of black there really are. Definitely ran into this in the Model T restoration world, and as you point out it carries into the Model A.

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Then there is the question of what color black?

I am not trying to be a smart ass and I have brought it up before. I thought now would be a good time to revisit it so others have a chance to contemplate how complex stuff can be made- if you want to.

I have learned there are blacks have undertones (not sure if undertone is the correct term).

For a comparison-

As mentioned above there is the PPG Concept DCC9300. That is the factory pre-mix black. As I recall it has a yellow undertone, that is there is some yellow pigment in it.

You can also have mixed up a DCC9700. That has a blue undertone and blue pigment in it. It is supposed to be a deeper black. (I should add, there is and base coat 9700 that is not the same thing but the dealer might confuse the two).

So which black would be the more correct match for the dipped parts (like the fenders on your car)?

What about the paint used on the distributor? I am pretty sure the dist was spray painted black because it would need complex masking for a dip. So this would probably not been as glossy as the dip painted parts. Would the black undertone have been different too? I would assume they used a different paint chemistry and so the pigments would have been different.

Again, I am not trying to cause any problems- just thought it would be a curious direction to take this discussion.

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Still no paint number for the proper gloss CHASSIS PAINT.

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Actually if you look at the new revised standards it states that the chassis was "satin" black.

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Black is Black ,all i want is my baby back ! Sounds like a song i hear now and then?

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" This was done in 2006 so hopefully the NEW Revised 2011 standards have reduced this list...have not yet checked. "

Steve,
When were you going to start on the 2011 revision....soon?
BTW, how many times did each color black show up?

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The point I'm trying to make is some judge somewere has determined in his mind what the proper degree of gloss is in chassis paint. If he knows the paint code and paint supplier that makes it why not share the info. This way every chassis is painted to his liking and you can move on to the next question. Bob

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Maybe that all knowing judge isn't on this Forum.

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All Colors (Colorants in this case) have a Primary color and a Secondary color.
My Father always said that if you could produce "True" Black you could retire early.

Try putting a drop of Carbon Black into White, it will appear Blue. Red Oxide has a Yellow cast. This is why if you make Grey it is a combination of colors.
There are charts that colorant manufacturers produced which give a guide to the Primary and Secondary colors. This may be somewhat more applicable to the organic colorants originally used during production in the day.

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there are a lot of shades of black, just as with white...