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Hoodooman 01-15-2025 09:44 PM

Valve seat cutter and proper pilot
 

Can anyone recommend a 239 flathead pilot and seat cutter? I've heard new way is good? Just planning on a valve job using the old seats.

Thanks!

Lawrie 01-15-2025 10:04 PM

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I have the new way cutters, they are very nice and easy to use, do a great job .
I have a special pilot the engages with the valve guide bore as well as the lifter bore.
Lawrie

flatjack9 01-15-2025 10:47 PM

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I have the same system as Lawrie. They are Neway.

tubman 01-15-2025 10:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrie (Post 2362592)
I have the new way cutters, they are very nice and easy to use, do a great job .
I have a special pilot the engages with the valve guide bore as well as the lifter bore.
Lawrie

Lawrie,

Is the "special pilot" a Neway product or something special from another source? I have been looking at these for a while.

Denny

Bored&Stroked 01-15-2025 11:58 PM

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Hey Lawrie, was curious of the diameter of the pilot you have? I have both a Sioux and a Kwikway pilot (for their standard seat holders) - was wondering if they would work with the Neway stuff?

fortyonerag 01-16-2025 01:56 AM

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I used a Neway Cutter on a recent build. I kept everything scrupulously clean and it seemed to work out well.

FWIW, I used:
CU616 30/45deg valve seat cutter
Pilot tool PEM150-8.5mm
Wrench TW505.

flatjack9 01-16-2025 11:43 AM

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The pilot I have is not Neway and works just fine. Same one I used when I used to use stones. Sioux

Bored&Stroked 01-16-2025 11:53 AM

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What are you guys seeing as far as the quality of the seat finish and concentricity? Anybody use a seat mic afterwards to see if there is any run-out?

I'm used to stones where you have a really nice concentric and almost polished seat. I'd love to see some close-up pictures if any of you have them. I might be able to use my Kwik-Way Seat cutting setup with one of these Neway cutters to do the seat work (depending on the quality of the finish and concentricity).

Bored&Stroked 01-16-2025 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by flatjack9 (Post 2362686)
The pilot I have is not Neway and works just fine. Same one I used when I used to use stones. Sioux

Isn't a Sioux pilot .385 in diameter?

meric42 01-16-2025 07:38 PM

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I bought this one from Amazon and found it worked just fine for my purposes, but I'm not a mechanic :)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071WW28KN...fed_asin_title

Hoodooman 01-16-2025 08:51 PM

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Thanks. May I ask What pilot you used?

Hoodooman 01-16-2025 08:52 PM

Re: Valve seat cutter and proper pilot
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by meric42 (Post 2362808)
I bought this one from Amazon and found it worked just fine for my purposes, but I'm not a mechanic :)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071WW28KN...fed_asin_title

Thanks. May I ask What pilot you used?

Lawrie 01-16-2025 08:55 PM

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Pic of my pilot,
it is made by W&B (warren and Brown ) has W&B V8 stamped
pilot is .375 top diameter is 1.032 bottom dia 1.000
Lawrie

Hoodooman 01-16-2025 09:12 PM

Re: Valve seat cutter and proper pilot
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrie (Post 2362821)
Pic of my pilot,
it is made by W&B (warren and Brown ) has W&B V8 stamped
pilot is .375 top diameter is 1.032 bottom dia 1.000
Lawrie

Thank you!

KiWinUS 01-16-2025 11:14 PM

Re: Valve seat cutter and proper pilot
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawrie (Post 2362821)
Pic of my pilot,
it is made by W&B (warren and Brown ) has W&B V8 stamped
pilot is .375 top diameter is 1.032 bottom dia 1.000
Lawrie

I have the exact same Lawrie and also my Made in Australia Warren Brown Syncro seater set I bought over from home to the US with me. I love it and have tried the Cutters mentioned above but in my opinion the stones do a much better job and more concentric seat. I have even gone head to head with the salesman of the cutters and embarrassed him.
Stones B&S (Dale) are my preference even if they are slower.
Lawrie I sure wish I could bring my Dad’s Wolf valve refacer over also as I believe it is as good as it gets.

Lawrie 01-16-2025 11:21 PM

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Kiwi, I just slung out an old set of stones from my dads old US made set, let me know as they are still in the bin,
will get some pics
Lawrie

Lawrie 01-17-2025 12:32 AM

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This is what I use to check the seats

Ken/Alabama 01-17-2025 03:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KiWinUS (Post 2362857)
I have the exact same Lawrie and also my Made in Australia Warren Brown Syncro seater set I bought over from home to the US with me. I love it and have tried the Cutters mentioned above but in my opinion the stones do a much better job and more concentric seat. I have even gone head to head with the salesman of the cutters and embarrassed him.
Stones B&S (Dale) are my preference even if they are slower.
Lawrie I sure wish I could bring my Dad’s Wolf valve refacer over also as I believe it is as good as it gets.

I have a Hall eccentric seat grinder . Does a fantastic job but slow.

GB SISSON 01-17-2025 07:06 PM

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This is my .375 B&D with extraction handle. I used this pilot without the handle on two valve jobs and it could be a pain wringing it back out. Last year when I bought my lathe in Seattle the guy had a bunch of 'outdated' automotve gear and asked if I wanted any of it. There was a Sioux seat grinder and a Sioux setup for counterboring the block for hard seats. In the seat grinder kit was this snap-lock handle for my B&D and of course it fit nothing in the Sioux kit. Just my lucky day.

38 coupe 01-17-2025 08:02 PM

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Totally off topic, but I have to ask: GB, why do you have a bottle of "instant rust"?


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