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Neil Mylar LakewoodCA 08-04-2024 02:29 AM

Worst spring shackles I've ever seen.
 

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I just replaced the rear end in my recently purchased 1929 woody.
I did not realize how bad the rear shakles were.

nkaminar 08-04-2024 07:07 AM

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Was your woody wobbly? Be careful, the spring is ready to sprog.

Bob Bidonde 08-04-2024 07:12 AM

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From the looks of that spring hangar, I think the entire running gear has not had maintenance in a long long time.

Neil Mylar LakewoodCA 08-04-2024 10:26 AM

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I placed a spring spreader on the spring, yesterday.
I plan on removing it, later today.

Tom Endy 08-04-2024 10:56 AM

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A spring spreader should always be used when removing a rear end from a Model A, the rear spring can be lethal. Never remove the rear end with the spring attached. If the shackle is broken the spring can fly in any direction.

https://www.santaanitaas.org/wp-cont...ar-shackle.pdf

Tom Endy

JayJay 08-04-2024 11:19 AM

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I took off a pair a couple of months ago that were worn about 50% through, but yours beat mine hands down! Check for wear in the axle housings as well, mine were worn through the bushing and into the housing. Good catch, that's not something you want to have let loose on the road.

Y-Blockhead 08-04-2024 11:22 AM

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Here is a great article from Vince Falter. https://www.fordgarage.com/pages/brokenshackles.htm

I had one break exactly as shown in Vince's and Tom's articles. They seem to break right thru thr grease hole. I found it when I was installing my Mitchell O/D. I don't really know how long it was broken.


https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...3&d=1722788856

Synchro909 08-04-2024 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead (Post 2328785)
Here is a great article from Vince Falter. https://www.fordgarage.com/pages/brokenshackles.htm

I had one break exactly as shown in Vince's and Tom's articles. They seem to break right thru thr grease hole. I found it when I was installing my Mitchell O/D. I don't really know how long it was broken.


https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...3&d=1722788856

I had a shackle do that and I've heard of others. I suspect it was a bad batch from (I hope) a no longer used manufacturer. My first clue that something was wrong was when I greased them.

Mulletwagon 08-04-2024 08:16 PM

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Plan on new bushings as well.

nkaminar 08-05-2024 04:52 AM

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Look closely at the photos in Post #7 and 8. One hole in the link that bolts to the end of the shackle is elongated from wear. That will put a bending stress on the shackle at the lube hole and cause it to break. It may be that the nuts were not tightened sufficiently.

Y-Blockhead 08-05-2024 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by nkaminar (Post 2328920)
Look closely at the photos in Post #7 and 8. One hole in the link that bolts to the end of the shackle is elongated from wear. That will put a bending stress on the shackle at the lube hole and cause it to break. It may be that the nuts were not tightened sufficiently.

Or it could have been the other way around. The Shackle broke wearing the hole in the cross bar oval over time. You don't want the nuts too tight or the shackles will not "flex".

JayJay 08-05-2024 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead (Post 2328948)
Or it could have been the other way around. The Shackle broke wearing the hole in the cross bar oval over time. You don't want the nuts too tight or the shackles will not "flex".

This was kinda my thought as well. The shackel has to move relative to the cross bar to get that wear, and to my mind it would only move if it was separated first.

Dennis Pereira 08-05-2024 02:26 PM

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Is that a piece of a dog boned shock link? a little corrosion.

JayJay 08-05-2024 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis Pereira (Post 2329009)
Is that a piece of a dog boned shock link? a little corrosion.

OP's pic #2 shows the dust cap and rubber bushing of an original tube shock link. But you're right, there's a bit of corrosion going on. And a fair bit of caked on dirt/mud.

Neil Mylar LakewoodCA 08-06-2024 12:18 AM

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I finally removed the rear spring.
The shackles wore into both axle housings.
One of the shackles was actually broken in two.

Brentwood Bob 08-06-2024 12:49 AM

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No shocks.

updraught 08-06-2024 02:09 AM

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They look a bit like our "redback" spider webs. If not,we can send you some.

rotorwrench 08-06-2024 03:57 AM

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The shackle will have just enough length to be able to hinge when the nuts are tight if properly manufactured. The shackle is highly stressed and depends on the nuts to be tight against the plates in order to restrict any flexing of the hinge parts while in service. Looseness will cause failure as much as lack of lube service. Fatigue is another factor that can be exacerbated by looseness of parts. I'm sure that the engineers never expected these parts to last 90+ years in the case of OEM parts. Parts of dubious manufacture and poor manufacturing practices will not take the designed stress of an OEM part. If they don't fit and function right then find another source for the affected part.


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