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jg61hawk 05-18-2020 07:27 PM

Cranking Then a Hard Stop...Then Cranks
 

This started about a month ago....I crank it over with electric start and the motor is turning but suddenly it almost freezes with a hard "stop" but then continues to crank . This may happen once or several times before it starts.

I thought the battery may have been losing it's cranking amps as it was 6 years old, so I got a new dry cell 6 volt. Still doing it. I'm thinking I'll reset timing, but why would timing just fade away? Yes the spark is retarded on starting.

Thoughts

Thanks Jim

wmws 05-18-2020 07:44 PM

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I would definitely check the timing. Maybe the screw holding the cam was not tight enough and the cam slipped.

Jacksonlll 05-18-2020 07:46 PM

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Your lever may be up,but that distributor is not retarded. Check that linkage and make sure the cam is not rotating a little.

Gary WA 05-18-2020 09:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jg61hawk (Post 1889244)
This started about a month ago....I crank it over with electric start and the motor is turning but suddenly it almost freezes with a hard "stop" but then continues to crank . This may happen once or several times before it starts.

I thought the battery may have been losing it's cranking amps as it was 6 years old, so I got a new dry cell 6 volt. Still doing it. I'm thinking I'll reset timing, but why would timing just fade away? Yes the spark is retarded on starting.

Thoughts

Thanks Jim

point cap may have closed up!

dumb person 05-18-2020 10:46 PM

Re: Cranking Then a Hard Stop...Then Cranks
 

If the hard stop is near TDC, it's probably the timing rater than a battery/starter.

Roxo 05-19-2020 07:53 AM

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I had this same problem when I first got my A. The battery cables were to small for a 6 volt system. It would turn over a few times then suddenly stop on the compression stroke. After a few times of that it would eventually start.
Just something else to try.
Good luck

katy 05-19-2020 09:08 PM

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Quote:

I got a new dry cell 6 volt.
Can you elaborate? I don't think I've heard of them.

jg61hawk 05-19-2020 11:56 PM

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KATY: The battery has no liquid acid in it, can't spill. Jim's Battery sells them to look exactly like original battery, but many makes are out there. Snyder's sells this version:

OPTIMA BATTERY 6V
A-10655-6
The Optima is a sealed battery so we are able to ship it within the U.S. by UPS or Federal Express.

I my have used the wrong term, "SEALED" it may be Glass Mat :---BU-201a: Absorbent Glass Mat (AGM)
Learn what differentiate AGM from other lead acid battery types

AGM technology became popular in the early 1980s as a sealed lead acid battery for military aircraft, vehicles and UPS to reduce weight and improve reliability. The sulfuric acid is absorbed by a very fine fiberglass mat, making the battery spill-proof. This enables shipment without hazardous material restrictions.

At any rate it can't leak.

Bill G 05-20-2020 12:08 AM

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Did the original issue get resolved? Curious minds are wondering....

katy 05-20-2020 10:47 AM

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jg61hawk, got the picture, thanks for the info, Ken

jg61hawk 05-20-2020 11:58 PM

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Bill G,,,Not sure yet....Today I used the Nu Rex tool and set timing and "step 3" extrta retard" for easy starting. Problem continued. I then did the manual old way and set timing with test light and by hand... I THINK the problem is gone...just not trusting yet...I'll always post the solution...may have a new situation too. Was running good than developed a backfire like an hour later....CONDENSER??? I'll post,

Patrick L. 05-21-2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jg61hawk (Post 1890080)
Bill G,,,Not sure yet....Today I used the Nu Rex tool and set timing and "step 3" extrta retard" for easy starting. Problem continued. I then did the manual old way and set timing with test light and by hand... I THINK the problem is gone...just not trusting yet...I'll always post the solution...may have a new situation too. Was running good than developed a backfire like an hour later....CONDENSER??? I'll post,



Unrelated, you wouldn't happen to be a Studebaker owner are you ?

30 Closed Cab PU 05-21-2020 11:24 AM

Re: Cranking Then a Hard Stop...Then Cranks
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by jg61hawk (Post 1890080)
Bill G,,,Not sure yet....Today I used the Nu Rex tool and set timing and "step 3" extrta retard" for easy starting. Problem continued. I then did the manual old way and set timing with test light and by hand... I THINK the problem is gone...just not trusting yet...I'll always post the solution...may have a new situation too. Was running good than developed a backfire like an hour later....CONDENSER??? I'll post,




Did the "backfire" sound like a shotgun out the exhaust, or was it more of a cough at the carb?

jg61hawk 05-21-2020 09:17 PM

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Patrick L...Yes 61 hawk.

jg61hawk 05-21-2020 09:23 PM

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The hard stop was apparently related to timing. The backfire was loud shotgun, actually neighbors came over.... I think I resolved that too. Long story: When I got the new battery (Jim' Auto battery formally Antique Auto battery) the instructions were very clear don't let it charge over 8 volts. I ended up moving the brush on the generator all the way up to only get 7 volts. At any rate generator was not charging the battery and when I checked the battery had only 6.02 running. I assume the low voltage was breaking down the spark system, because I upped the charge and things got all better.

Patrick L. 05-22-2020 03:58 AM

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Glad its fixed. I happen to like Studebakers even more than 'As'. I was born in a Studebaker parts room.


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